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So why was I having an easier time on chaos with just the 4 guys then when I had Sophie/Cheria with me.

So how about those Tales of Innocence dungeons?

>first playthrough
>fight Kurt
>hard difficulty
>get my ass kicked a few times
>on new game+
>have been playing on chaos ever since I started
>have all four characters have a max accel bar for the rematch
>lower the difficulty to easy (although the main reason was so I could get the trophy without any problems)
>wreck his shit with no problem at all with three lv4 mystic arts.
Revenge tastes sweet

>>2996426
Healing.
The less time they take to fail at casting, the easier it is.

>>2996537
I didn't even try him on chaos, but I slapped his shit on evil. Pretty satisfying.

[Spoiler]Emeraude[/spoiler] was a bitch on chaos though. I somehow managed to oneshot the main arc final boss on chaos too. With Malik's MA no less.

>>2996912
Do that move again in the future arc with Sophie in your party.

>Asbel has mastered the Mastery Master title!

Nice OP pic.

So, fellas. Quick question. I just finished that..one place (Jesus I can't even remember what it was called now that I think about it), where you go to get parts for the shuttle, past Area 66. It had moving block puzzles and you fight a squad of humanoids at the end as the boss.

How much more of the main arc do I have left?

>>2997117
Yeah I intend to. Malik's the biggest troll since Jade.

>>2997220
You have two more dungeons to go through before you beat the game. You also will run into the second most annoying boss in the game.

>>2997220
If it helps, that's also when Pascal invents rings for her and Malik so they can mimic the Nova abilities Hubert, Cheria and Asbel got from Sophie.

>>2997220
Two Dungeons.

>>2997357
>>2997267
So maybe 2 or 3 hours excluding sidequests?

>>2997307
More like 5th. There's still Amber Hearts going CRIMSON DISK CRIMSON DISK! CRIMSON DISK! Gentle Eel being an Illusionist on crack with Super Armor, Fodra Queen, and I'm sure there's more that I'm missing since I need to finish Zhonecage

>>2997220
>Veigue in that picture

Please tell me there's reference to Veigue screaming Claire in Graces.

>>2995795
>Jade's hair in OP pic

Is it bad if I only bothered going through the main arc and future arc without doing all these sidequests and dualizing and farming and all that other stuff? The only optional stuff I really bothered to do are inn requests that I could quickly do or inn requests that cause an event, and any sidequest I happen to run into while playing the main story. I just don't feel like backtracking or re-exploring the entire world just to see if a new quest popped up somewhere, and I just don't have the motivation to do all that farming and dualizing when my current equipment is doing just fine.

>>2997859
it's your game, play it how you want, as long as you're having fun you can't be wrong

when i played vesperia i didn't do any optional content except a bit of synthesizing near the end, and i still loved it

>>2997859
If you managed to get through the game without dualizing, props to you.

I know there were some stretches where some gems I had came in handy.

>>2998048
Speaking of gems, does the letter rank go all the way up to Z?

Because the best one I have right now is a J gem, and the portrait for it already looks glorious.

>>2998112
I think so, I planned on polishing my P-Gem then I saw the pricing for it... fucking nope.jpg

>>2998381

Maybe I'm looking at it wrong but "Pascal" looks more like an old man going "Woo!" to me.

>>2998381
what's the point of polishing a gem

i polished an E-RISE-EXCEED gem, that had +2mincc and +1maxcc

and when i got the F gem it had the same stats, and then i polished it again and it still had the same stats

>>2998535
I believe she's wearing a mask.

I just beat the main arc... well that was disappointing...

>>2998756
Future arc is much more pleasant storywise.

>>2998659
It may be those specific effects. Rise and Exceed, and other CC-related effects don't rise nearly as rapidly as more traditional stat buffs like Attack and Vitality. Because if they did, you'd quickly have more CC than you knew what to do with.

>>2998756
I'm about to fight the boss and I'm already disappointed. The story went full retard in a really short amount of time.

>>2998873
>>2998873
>you'd quickly have more CC than you knew what to do with.

but thats what i want

can't i just have it

please

just give me like 30cc

>>2998659
i have a I gem with a rise[7] on it and it gives minimum CC +3. i think that's a lot already

>>2998901
Future arc is far more enjoyable for a number of reasons. The story is, frankly, the last reason you should be playing Graces.

>>2998948
I was under the impression that min/max of 3 was all you could get. It's not like you'd really need more anyway since the game caps at 30.

Vesperia movie dub clips
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lhVv6M2LAAM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9pP8H-3078&feature=player_embedded

Sounds like they kept Yuri and Flynn the same, but Rita no longer sounds like Michelle Ruff.

>>2998930
Haha, I know it would technically be ideal, but if you could make gems that rose in CC-buffs with each incremental upgrade, you'd soon reach a point where you didn't even need eleth burst anymore, and you could literally stunlock and juggle every enemy in the game if you wanted to. Especially considering you can unlock the ability to use mystic artes outside of EB mode, it would break the combat difficulty in a lot of ways.

That's why Rise and Exceed shards are, at least for the main game, the hardest to come by, and why their effects are the slowest to upgrade.

i don't like how the characters in Tales games are unbalanced, take Raine or Tear for instance, there is no reason to ever take them out of your party

>>2999186
yea fucking asbel. why is he so shit?

Pascal/Hubert, Sophie, Malik, Cheria best party

>>2999186
Because they're healers. It's the same with any other RPG. Healers are the backbone of every party.

It's more pronounced here because Cheria's the only true white mage in the party. Sophie has potent healing artes as well, but she's more effective on the frontlines then as a medic.

>>2999320
mfw asbel is my best party member because i control him

he's got a wonderful moveset and he's quite fun to play imo

that and playing anyone else after getting used to the nuances of asbel for 35 hours seems a daunting task

>>2999320
I use Pascal, Hubert, Sophie and Cheria most of the time. Mostly because I main the first three.

I actually use Malik almost never. It's at a point now where he has literally mastered every single title he currently has, because he's spent so little time in combat he hasn't unlocked nearly as many as the other guys.

>>2999186
But Natalia is a better character than Tear. Optimal party kicks both Luke and Tear out unless you're doing a Guy + Support Bitches stunlock thing, which is only useful in a handful of fights.

It would have been nice if one of the other primary casters could have had a healing set to reduce the need to take Cheria everywhere, but oh well.

>>2999468
>that and playing anyone else after getting used to ____

That was how it was when I finally decided to try playing someone other than Sophie. For one thing, everyone seems kinda slow and deliberate coming from her.

>>2999571
>Natalia
>Better

Not disagreeing, as natalia was actually one of my preferred characters, but Tear's ability to manually invoke Fon Fields was amazing in co-op.

>>2999704
Everyone with frontline skills (Asbel, Hubert, Sophie, Richard) is fast, but they're fast in different ways. I personally find Sophie really difficult to use simply because her attacks are so focused, even if they are quick.

>>2999826
Everyone can make fields, though. What do you mean?

>>2999886
Tear has those spells which sole purpose is to create fields. I don't know how fast they are since I never got the chance to have some bro-op in Abyss.

>>2999886
Anyone can make fon fields as a byproduct of their attacks. But Tear had a set of artes whose only purpose was to spawn fon fields of specific elements.

>>3000104
But once you get to moderate levels you can just whip out offensive spells that do the same thing (or abuse sunlight chambers). I don't think I ever actually used her field spells.

>>2999886
Yeah, and Sophie's attacks tend to take her all over the place as well (Sundering Fury, Phantom Dance, Dragon Dance, Dagger Splash, etc.). She does have some wide area attacks, but nothing like Abel's drawn sword attacks or Hubert's Dualblade Dance or Radial Arc, etc. I always relied on Phantom Dance and Sword Assault for hitting multiple enemies.

It's a stark change, then, to go someone like Hubert, whose attacks are extremely grounded and deliberate.

>>3000273
The fon spells are quicker and cost far less TP. If you're looking to coordinate with frontliners for enhanced attacks, there's no more efficient way to do so then Tear's fon fields.

>>2999104
You can only get 30CC. That's the cap.
Anything more than 15 min or so on the player is wasted, since you can raise it so quickly.
AI doesn't take advantage on anything over 14cc.

Accuracy/Evade is way more important on Chaos.

>>3000490
But why bother? The only point of other characters is to act like backup dancers while Guy solos everything. The types of challenge and mechanics the game offers don't really require careful selection of field colors and precise timing. Except on the part of the front line.

>>2999357
>It's more pronounced here because Cheria's the only true white mage in the party.

And even then she still has quite a number of attack spells and physical specials (albeit weak ones). I don't think most Tales games had "pure" white/black mages, actually. Except Genis and Grune (black mage), Mint (white mage), possibly others I'm not thinking of going by translated Tales I've played.

>>2999826
Those were the biggest waste. Use FCC so you can use FoF artes on unfinished FoF's. I turned off all of Tear's Field spells during all of my playthroughs of Abyss.

>>3000593
What exactly does Evasion do? I'm 60 hours in and the game never really bothered to tell me.

I know Accuracy helps you raise your Crit Gauge, but I know nothing about Evasion.

>>3000693
i think it stops you from getting hitstun

but im not sure

>>3000680
>>3000614
When you're playing with AI the Fon Field artes don't matter.

But I remember back in the day when me and a friend could spam FoF artes with melee attackers because there was never a shortage of fon fields, thanks to those artes. Really made it feel like we were coordinating.

>>3000776
That would explain why a slight breeze can stun Hubert. On the topic of force-feeding people to make them better,
>that feel when you work out that the item that upgrades herbs is impossible to outright copy but incredibly easy to craft

>>2999571
>Natalia is better
What? How do single target heals beat AoE heals? Not to mention Tear has the hyms, which give her tons of utility on top of healing.

Also, who goes into an "Optimal" party? Guy/Jade/Anise/Natalia? Why that particular combo?

>>3001005
I honestly think all of the characters in Abyss had their uses. It was pretty balanced party.

Usually I went with Anise, Natalia, Tear and Guy. Two frontline attackers, two casters.

>>3001005
Natalia's heals are super fast and will basically always fully heal anyone they hit, plus she can pre-empt death. Tear is good in the early-to-mid stages when Natalia can't afford her spells, but later on Tear's job is principally to be a light-magic offense.
'Optimal party' is Guy + 3 casters (Anise as caster). For a fight where you want a lot of offense, you take Jade instead of Tear, though there isn't an enormous difference between them. For a lot of defense, which is only really needed on the very hardest boss fights, you take both heal chicks so Tear can assist Natalia. Anise is always good because of full dark fields and stuns. Full light field is immaterial because Guy can make wind inside his own combos.

Is discovery #56 in the Fendel research laboratory? Its one of the only two I'm still missing.

>>3002238
Yep.

>>2998381
>>2998112
Pretty sure it goes up to T. Gonna blow your mind here: look at your gems

all of your A gems have a total of [1] skill on them.
all of your B gems are either [1] and [1] or [2]
all of your C gems have a combined total of 3
and so on and so forth. if you have rise [7] and exceed [5] it's an L gem.

>>3002698
Oh, my.

>>3002698
now explain the qualities in an as easy to understand way

as far as i can tell now more letters in the word=higher quality, but idk the difference between qualities with the same number of letters

i really wish the qualities caused a visual change of your weapons though, like frosty added a frost effect, oily made them grimy, suave gave them a monocole, etc..

> first time in Arcadia Garden
> set it down to hard, testing the waters
> see the enemy formation/role is organized
> took almost one minute to finish a random encounter
>almost all monsters have little window to be staggered

Is this the point in F-arc where difficulty level spikes up?

>>3003167
I really need to start reading equipment descriptions.

>>3003167

Pretty much, yeah. Especially when you're fighting those Little Bitches.

>>3002990
>monocle
>on a sword

Well from what I understand, each quality has a specific number of points that it adds to each stat. Every quality you've come across is cataloged in the records, along with the precise stat boosts they offer, so if you want to be real specific you CAN plan your stat buffs with precision.

Personally the more I learn about qualities, the more I think it's a slightly awkward system, but I digress.

>>3003249
>>monocle
>>on a sword

Well you can't give it a nice haircut and a suit can you

>>3003210
The ones for the character specific items are often amusing. Particular Malik's colognes and Cheria's ribbons.

>>3003339
Hey I'm not judging, I think it'd be hilarious.

>>3002238
I believe the reactions should be in the opposite order.

>>3002990
go to your key items and then your user guide. it has a qualities page that details all the things the qualities do, which is: stat gains and resale modifiers. the stats listed there are how much the weapon/armor will gain when you dualize it with a shard of that quality.

when dualizing weapon/armor and shards, or two tempered equips, the resulting quality is always the lower (less letter) one, EXCEPT when both have the same number of letters, in which case it gets upgraded to a higher amount of letters. not sure how to determine which higher word you get, though.

for example: worthless, when tempered onto a weapon will give 1 of p.atk/c.atk/acc. when pointless is tempered onto a weapon, it will get 10 of all those stats.

i hope that helped.

>>3003353
>Elemental Ribbon
>Perfect for the day you find out he already has a girlfriend!?

Just started future arc.

God accel mode is awesome, why we could't get it in the main arc.

And Richard is way more funny than I tought.

>Malik: Cheria, lets make out
>Richard: Oh Captain
>Malik: Ugh

>>3005179
Because Lambda wasn't tsundere in the main arc.

Just beat Floor 8 of Zhonecage. Dat Fourier. Had to turn it down to normal (a while ago) and still had to use an all-divide with the half damage titles.

Speaking of which, does anybody else equip those Fashnoista/Paragon/Duke titlers for every boss fight? They make all those OHKOs way more tolerable.

>Malik AI using his lv. 4 mystic arte every time he finishes his accel mode kick attack

Goddamn. This guy, man. BEST PARTY MEMBER EVER.

>>3006158
That one's special, though, since his accel mode is basically just that attack. He doesn't have time to fuck it up by starting another spell like FUCKING CHERIA.

>Look upon the dual-blade warrior...then never look again!

>>3006032
Honestly though the fight was the hardest in the zonecage having done the first 9 floors. I'm sure the last guy is harder, but goddamn, that fight was a pain in the ass.

>>3006608

It was pretty simple once I did all that, but mostly because the risk of OHKOs was gone. And I know I would have been by her damn spamming with insane amounts of super armor even on normal.

>>3006348

>cheria uses accel mode
>it ends
>no mystic arte? fucking AI...
>10 seconds later, mid combo
>HERE IT COMES ... TRILLION DRIVE
wat

Just found this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa2rQ4UTowk

Now I HAVE to beat Carta on Hard to get dat Rita costume. Holy shit.

Also, those Code Geass costumes, holy fuck. I would pay all of my money to play through the game with Zero as the main villain. He even does the hand motion. That's fucking cool. Fuck you, awesome DLC.

>>3007156
I don't even know what I'm looking at.

when/how do you get level 2 mystic artes

im working on getting the airship now and i still only have stampede strike

>>3007156
rita costume is the best one she has. it was worth it dealing with the cheating computer

>>3007217
Everyone but pascal gets their 2nd mystic artes through the story, so just bear with it.

>>3007309
yeah i think i got pascals already

her mystic artes are from those summon entity things right

>>2997554

No sadly, although Asbel makes a nice pun.

Also; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7zPGGijLH8

this might sound stupid but

if i have a rise shard on a weapon that gives me min cc+2, and it gets tempered and i redualize it

do i lose the effect of that shard? so my cc goes back to what it was before

because idk if i can handle that

So...Namco are having that conference or whatever at the end of the month.

Think we will hear anything about Innocence or Xillia?

>>3007481
If the weapon has two effects, it will generally pull the high-level one off when you dualize. If not...

My first Tales game was Graces f. I really like it and would like to play others. Any recommendations?

>>3007626
its a zaphyrus +8 with rise[4] and mind[2]

so i'll keep the mind[2] and lose the rise?

thats fucking stupid =/

All the Tales games are deconstructions of typical RPG bullshit and character flaws.

I mean Abyss was a deconstruction of what a world would really be like if all prophecies were true, and Symphonia is the deconstruction of a lot of things, like the 'always save the girl despite logic' and the idea that you can just blindly change the world with nothing but ambition.

Vesperia is a deconstruction of player centered morality, and the whole philosophy behind the justice of killing people.

What is Graces a deconstruction of? I'm not quite sure.

>>3007735
the belief in love

the belief in our love

the belief that our aim will always be true

>>3007647
If you have a 3DS, get Tales of the Abyss, since it has next to no load times.

Also get Symphonia if you can, and Vesperia.

>>3007526
I hope so.

If enough people bought Tales of Graces F, they'll bring over Xillia.

>>3007647
Vesperia if you have a 360.

Eternia if you live in the EU and have a PSP.

Abyss if you have a 3DS.

>>3007735
>Abyss was a deconstruction of what a world would really be like if all prophecies were true

Abyss was more about birth, finding who you are, and developing yourself as a human then about prophecy.

>>3007156
I beat the Carta game on the hardest difficulty that was available to me, and I don't remember getting a costume. Just a scarf. How do you unlock it?

>>3008084
you don't have to beat it, you have to beat it without letting the AI score at all, and then you get a title that has a costume and you have to equip the title and earn enough sp to unlock the costume then you can equip it whenever via the status menu

>>3007795
>>3008058
Why Abyss for 3DS? What about the PS2 version?

>>3008084
You need a perfect win

>>3007735
The official theme of Graces is "Discovering the Strength to Protect" (see the Tales of series wikipedia entry)

which is pretty painfully obvious if you look at the dialog for the game.

I'm not quite sure if all Tales games are really written with the goal of deconstructing a rpg trope, but the newer ones (Symphonia and beyond) are most certainly written with a central theme in mind.

>>3008059
The driving conflict of the game though, is the idea of the Score.

The idea of birth is also a theme, and cloning.

I mean hell, the final conversation at the end of the game between the party and Van is how they both believe in what they believe, and that they are going to be at odds for it.

The theme of birth and developing as a person is also a theme though. I think it serves a point in showing that people are who they are, and can change who they are despite the idea of pre-determined futures.

>Get custom firmware on my PS3
>"Sweet, now I can play Graces when the fan translation is completed"
>Official translation announced, fan translation aborted
>Can't play the game because Namco decided to localize it

I just don't know anymore.

>>3008138
Well, you could get the PS2 version. I'm not sure how easy it is to find.

>>3007942

I'd love to believe that, but the 4 year gap between Vesperia and Graces(when Vesperia actually sold pretty well) left a sour taste in my mouth with trusting Bamco to make any good decisions.

>>3008160
but you can play vesperia ps3

also theres probably a fan made undub for graces f since the ps3 version doesn't have jap audio

>>3008145
>>3008137
Balls. Back to Strahta, then.

I also got this one title for Hubert with a cat head icon. Anything special about it? I mastered it and didn't see anything new.

>>3008084

you have to PERFECT it. easy gives a costume for asbel, medium for sophie, and hard for cheria. all ToV costumes.

>>3007226

Same guy here, just got it. Took surprisingly way less long than I thought it would.

>get to one card needed to win
>colette's is the next one
>"heh-
>computer launches across the screen and picks collete

>2 tries later
>all tales of symphonia characters in a row, getting all of them
>one to win
>card is Illia from ToI
>pausing and unpausing like the fist of the north star to avoid that shit happening again
>my cursor was covering it

feels great to be done with it though. now I can enjoy dat costume

>>3008146
I mean, they blatantly deconstruct a lot of RPG elements.

They all do have central themes, certainly. I mean Vesperia's theme RPG of Enforcing one's "Justice" is important, but it's not the only theme throughout the story.

I mean, Yuri and Flynn kind of resolve their problems with each other's idea of "Justice", and they don't sway the other to their way of thinking. They merely kind of are at an impasse because the world isn't black and white.

>>3008207
The dub is fine though with the exception of early Richard, who frankly, doesn't have much dialogue. And I've heard the JP Malik. He isn't nearly as awesome as the NA Malik.

>>3008258
Malik is the manliest voiced character in all the North American dubbed games.

>>3007679
I think they designed with this in mind. The accel mode effects on the future weapons are level 3, which makes them very easy to keep on the weapons as you level them up.

>>3008160

why not just... play it on your cfw? worst case scenario just download it. what's the problem?

>mfw frost breaker alters into moonlight circle which alters into infernal torment

What comes after infernal torment

i love just holding buttons and watching the rape

>>3008323
Void Sword I believe.

>>3008253
>>3008146
>>3008152
>>3008059
>>3007735
Xillia is going to be rather interesting, the "RPG of Unwavering Convictions"

>>3008320
The game can not be played on 3.55 as it requires a newer firmware. PS3 scene is at a stand still and not much progress is made there.

>>3008379
I assume it'll have to deal with idealism or belief in something.

>>3008413
yeah but games can be patched to play on 3.55

its not like they introduced some radical new technology in firmware that stops the game from being played, its just a software restriction

>>3008258
>He isn't nearly as awesome as NA Malik

I beg to differ.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pJI45nOk1c&t=4m49s

>>3008484
And yet people haven't been able to circumvent this software restriction for new games, except in a few rare cases. Graces is not one of them.

>>3008323

Too bad frost breaker is made 150% obsolete by diabolic rage.

Asbel has too many awesome B-Artes, anyway. What're your setups for him? Mine:

-O: Incineration Wave
^O: Gale Maw
<O: Plasma Shock
>O: Shattersteelswarm

^R: Concussive Bolt
<R: Phantasm Flash (Ruinous Bloom when needed)
>R: Diabolic Rage
vR: Infernal Torrent

O being the circle button and R being the right stick, of course.

>>3008576
As I said, I've heard him, I don't think he is as good as NA Malik.

>>3008634
Thats pretty much my setup. Though I don't map them to the stick, I just trade around those 8 based on the enemies I'm fighting.

Who else is hoping that they release that Xillia Director's Cut and it gets localized?

I know it's a HUUUGE stretch but let me dream.

>>3008634
>>3008634
wait

you can map artes to the right stick?

>>3008703
I'm tired of Director's cuts, and wish they'd just make it that good to start with.

>>3008741
OH MY GOD

>mfw i never noticed the bottom of the arte screen "start- set shortcuts"

IVE BEEN PLAYING HALF A GAME

>>3008703
I would prefer the directors cut to it getting released at all considering what I keep hearing about it. It seems it needs the innocence R treatment.

>>3008767
I'm fine with Vesperia style, where you get a nice complete game, then they release something even better. Well, assuming they actually released both outside japan anyway.

>>3008824
The problem is that the Director's Cut of Vesperia makes the the original Vesperia feel gutted in comparison.

It's that big an improvement. Tales of Graces f is the same thing.

>>3008890
But Vesperia felt like a complete experience in the original version. It was a quality example of what a tales game should be. Yes, the directors cut was even more so, but it was more of the same goodness, not making up for earlier flaws. My understanding of Graces is it had some problems F fixed.

>>3008741
>>3008793
The game does tell you, but it's extremely easy to forget if you don't play a caster.

Like me, when I play Sophie I usually map her healing artes to the right stick to free up the main circle artes.

Wouldn't be surprised if Xillia had a revamp considering the god awful boss mechanics.

>>3008965
I suppose so. Vesperia felt long, like Abyss did.
If Graces didn't have the future arc, I'd have been feeling like the game had a 1/3rd of the content cut.

>Senel's VA
>Oh my
>Veigue and Luke's VA's
>my face
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sodd0giHWEk&feature=relmfu

>>3009013

If the future arc didn't exist, you'd still have a 40-60 hour game, though. Future Arc was just a great addition, IMO.

I really wish they'd bring Vesperia PS3 over so I can play it ;_;.

>>3009070
The plot just moves so fast though.

Maybe I just played through it too hard.

>>3009153
Its a lot of backtracking, the world is smaller, no world map, and it is shorter than most mainline tales games. Its not just you.

>>3008996
Also worth noting the game keeps track of separate right stick maps for each character, unlike Abyss.

>>3009193
>>3009153

I dunno, I had like 55 hours when I beat the final boss. Guess I just played slowly or something.

>>3009370
im 35 hours and im in the middle of the dungeon to activate the heat ray thingy

how much do i have left?

>>3009429
2/3rds. There abouts.

>cheria and hubert both die at the same time as the boss

ive never killed an enemy with dead party members before, do they get exp and sp?

>>3009702
Pretty sure that a negative.

>>3009770
>>3009770
well that is gay as all fuck

im getting punished because the boss decided to use a massive aoe when it had 10 hit points left

>Oh, don't worry about me. I'll be fine. I can run 100 meters in 9.57 seconds. ...Which is much faster than trouble.

>>3009801
>hit points

First time in a very long time someone actually spelled out "hit points" instead of abbreviating it "HP"

i don't know whos more retarded

Asbel for not noticing cheria likes him

or Cheria for not being more blunt about it

fucking kids man

>>3010076
Well its typical for the main protagonist to be oblivious to a heroines feelings and the heroine not being blunt about it so I don't know why you are surprised.

>dat shuttle launch cutscene

motherfucking fourier on a fire breathing griffon holy shit

I want to ravish Elise. That is all.

>>3010076
Don't forget, Japan made this game.

>no idolm@ster costumes

too bad, i had a whole $12 ready, suck it Namco. i've already spent $100+ on $20 costumes in idolm@ster ;_;

>>3010668
20 dollar costumes? A game has 20 fucking dollar fucking cosmetic fucking costumes?

>>3010863
to be fair, a costume in an idolm@ster game is the equivalent of a map pack for cawadooty

i mean the entire point of the game is watching 2d girls dance and sing in kawaii outfits

You know a man is badass when he glides through the air on his own weapon.

>>3010863
it's more like $10 but useless Canadian money and additional fees to get japanese PSN cash codes.

$4 costumes are a steal, it's almost like americans have never played a Namco game before.

>>3011129
its almost like namco rarely localizes their games for americans to play

>>3011169
either way you should be thankful that Namco is giving away their content at bargain bin prices.

Holy fuck, why does Reala in the Zhonecage have so much fucking defense? I actually got bored of fighting for so long. 5 damage when she's blocks a move? Cheria's Trillion Drive did 1000 damage, what the fuck?

Also, why is there no auto-item usage in this game? Would that have been so much to ask for?

>>3011218
oh yeah

and when gasoline goes to 5 dollars a gallon this summer ill be praising exxon in november when it goes down to 3.90

>>3011289
Well there's the Eleth Mixer.

Though I think even if you could, for example have the AI use items, I'm pretty sure I'd turn it off immediately anyway, except in the worst case scenarios.

Even in FF12 I never used item gambits, because I hate using items. I'm stingy like that.

>>3000693
Someone wanna do me a favor and answer this? I still want to know.

>>3011697
lessens hitstun

>>3011741
That's all?

>>3011794
you probably don't realize but AI hubert is stunned 80% of the time

>>3011672

I just want Cheria to use a Life Bottle instead of waiting eight years for Resurrection to cast. It doesn't seem that unreasonable.

>>3011826
press triangle, go to items and tell her to do it

it takes 3 seconds

>>3011808
So higher evasion means less likely to end up with stars over your head, or just being staggered in general?

>>3011896
im not sure if it helps with stars, i think that only happens when a weakness is exploited

i might be wrong though

>encounter new enemy
>oh it can petrify, guess I'll wait to be cleansed
>Cheria heals me
>getting my ass handed to me
>heal
>THAT'S GREAT BUT I'M DEAD NOW

JUST UNPETRIFY ME! Goddamn it Cheria. When I have Hubert in my party he knows what to do right away, why can't you be that smart Cheria?

>>3011870

Well no shit. It gets annoying 90 hours into the game when you have to do that every. single. time. someone dies, especially considering auto-item was in other Tales games.

>>3012040
I'd sooner just have a dish for petrification in the mixer.

That's what I did for Area 66, because of those fucking lizards that would bitchslap you with your tail and turn you to stone.

>>3011218
4 dollars will always be a lot for cosmetics as far as I'm concerned.

>>3012070
If people are dying so often that you're wishing for a way to automatically use life bottles, you might need to re-evaluate your strategy.

>>3012097
>*their tail

That's what I get for not proofing my posts.

>>3012160
Its called pretty much late game through future arc and bonus dungeons. Your allies will be dropping like flies regardless of your strategy because most bosses, and even later enemies will one shot them and you can't do anything to stop it because their AI is retarded.

There is a reason people solo no death runs.

>>3012160
Uhh... are you sure you're playing the same game as me? Playing through this game on Hard/Evil the first time through and people WILL be dying. Especially your party members and their fucking retarded AI. I know you're trying to find an excuse here to call me bad that this game, but seriously? If you haven't had people die than I advise you try the rest of the game at a higher difficulty.

>>3012040
that's why richard is also good

>>3012294
No, I'm not trying to call you bad at all. But I have been playing through the game on Hard and Evil, and with the exception of bosses, rarely need to pull out the items.

>>3012040
I wish the AI set to being aggressive is actually aggressive

>AI set to offensive/aggressive
>only 1 monster left on the field
>got my character frozen/petrified/stunned, monster about to deliver the killing blow
>AI has shit tons of CC to spare
>AI decides to stand there for a few seconds next to the monster and watch me die

and they all like to bunch up together in front of the monster when fighting. Fights like Poisson could've been much easier if they all didn't stand in FRONT of her.

>>3008413
You can play the Japanese version with English story. Menu and Skits are in Japanese.
That's as close as you can get for free.

>>3012360
You must have both healers in your party, be over-leveled, or way too dualized. I play in Evil/Chaos and ever since Fendel my npcs get killed instantly if they get stunned. Considering that they don't dodge any slow instant kill attack, they will die often.
On Chaos they always get one shot if they aren't blocking unless you are attacking shit 1/2 your level. For example: Cheria with 1k+ mdef can get one shot by nearly any spell that gets casted in Chaos if it isn't blocked.

Now you are telling me you stun lock 4-6 mobs consistently, all the way across the field, 100% of the time in random battles. I don't have to use a life bottle in 90% of battles, but when you get that 10% hard as balls battle it makes pretty much every boss look like a chump.

There's different inn requests in the future arc right? Will the old ones still be there when I'm done with future arc?

>>3014474
No. There aren't new quests. Just the old ones you hadn't finished. Minus the subevent ones of course.

>>3014474
All the quests you didn't do the first time around are still available when you get back from the future. The game basically treats it as two separate campaigns that let you carry your characters between them.

The ToV movie is being localized.
They changed Rita's VA though.

>>3007942
Well. Xillia's been trademarked in the U.S. and Europe recently. That's a positive sign.

http://www.siliconera.com/2012/03/26/tales-of-xillia-trademark-filed-in-the-u-s-too/

>>3009036

I love everyone's reactions when Senel tells them that Shirley isn't his real sister.

>>3010480

Too bad she's too young to be a main love interest. Same with Sophie. Why are most of my favorite Tales females younger than the protagonist?

>>3014474

There are some sidequest events that can't be done anymore in future arc, though. Like the sick little girl you give stuffed animals too. You don't think she...?

>>3018673
>They changed Rita's VA though.

FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUU

>>3020379
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=q9pP8H-3078

>>3020404
I love the excuses they use though. "She's younger so it doesn't matter!" When First Strike only takes place a few months before the game starts.

>>3020428
Actually, no one knows WHEN the fuck it takes place since they fucked up continuity.

>>3020428
Holy shit Repede grew in a few months.

Just got my Graces F (why does the amerifat version have french on the backside?) Lil' excited, the only tales game I have played is Star Ocean Till The End Of Time

>Honey I Shrunk the Party
>Oh god they want to eat me!
>Running circles around them like an idiot before I beat them
>Call the Exterminator

>>3018673
who cares, it already has english subtitles

>>3022714
because its the north american version, not the US version

and canada is part of north america

and they speak french in quebec

Oh, Sophie... die!

>>3023720
what got me with the exterminator one was the tiny Reala running around I couldn't even see properly until she nuked half my party.

>finally beat Zhonecage
>Sell everything ever in preparation for starting a NG+
>2.8million gold holy shit
>grade shop
>can afford just about everything
>start game with 1.4 million gald, 10x experience, double sp, everything sans skills inherited
>droppin bodies ERRYWHERE

holy shit I feel like a god

So I just beat Fourier in the Zhonecage, HOLY. SHIT. Had I not done Future Arc after Gentle Eel that fight would have DESTROYED me. I used 6 at least Accel Artes that fight, and still needed to resort to Life Bottles up the ass. On the Bright side I got all my characters Lvl 100 titles to help in future endeavors.

>>3020428
>>3020404
>>3020379
Except the new VA does perfectly fine.

She's only in one scene anyway. They kept Yuri and Flynn, those were the important ones.

Yeah, I wish the original VA returned but...frankly I'm just glad it's getting dubbed at all.

I wanna check out the Abyss anime too, I hear that's pretty good. Anyone know how the dub is?

FUCK....THIS VEIGUE FIGHT!

"OH YOU WANT TO SAVE YOUR ACCEL GAUGE TO USE YOUR ACCEL ARTE? NOPE I'M GONNA GET AN ELETH BREAK AND JUST FUCKING DASH RIGHT IN FORCING YOU TO USE YOUR GAUGE TO REVIVE FROM MY ONE SHOT ATTACK, OH WHAT'S THAT HUBERT YOU'RE RAINING DOWN ARROWS, SORRY I STILL GOT FIVE FUCKINGS SECONDS OF ELETH BREAK LEFT, NO STUNS FOR YOU! HEY WHO KNOWS MAYBE THIS TIME YOUR FLARE SHOT/SCARLET SALVO COMBO WILL, AW WHO AM I KIDDING HERE COMES A FIVE FOOT WIDE SLASH!"

THIS FUCKING FIGHT CAN FUCKING GO TO HELL

>>3034852
>level 100 titles after that fight

I guess that's why I had so much trouble. I got my 100 titles right before Solomus.

>Start of game
>"Oh what's this enemy weak to?"
>Consult menu to memorize best A-Art path
>End of game
>FROST BREAKER MOONLIGHT CIRCLE INFERNO TORRENT VOID SWORD FROST BREAKER MOONLIGHT CIRCLE INFERNO TORRENT VOID SWORD FROST BREAKER MOONLIGHT CIRCLE INFERNO TORRENT VOID SWORD FROST BREAKER MOONLIGHT CIRCLE INFERNO TORRENT VOID SWORD FROST BREAKER MOONLIGHT CIRCLE INFERNO TORRENT VOID SWORD FROST BREAKER MOONLIGHT CIRCLE INFERNO TORRENT VOID SWORD FROST BREAKER MOONLIGHT CIRCLE INFERNO TORRENT VOID SWORD FROST BREAKER MOONLIGHT CIRCLE INFERNO TORRENT VOID SWORD FROST BREAKER MOONLIGHT CIRCLE INFERNO TORRENT VOID SWORD FROST BREAKER MOONLIGHT CIRCLE INFERNO TORRENT VOID SWORD

>>3036234
>vfw

>>3035806
Haven't heard about the dub, but the anime is probably the only Tales of adaptation that doesn't stray too far (if at all) from the game's plot.

>>3036234
>you're walking down an alleyway
>bump into Veigue
>he thinks you've kidnapped Claire

How do you survive?

>>3038345
Run away while throwing hourglasses at him.

>>3035806
There is no dub. The US release is SUB only.

A shame, I love Stephanie Sheh's Natalia.

>>3038529
Eh that sucks...

Atleast we don't get SASUKE I mean Luke. I don't think Yuri Lowenthal really fit Luke particularly well.

So, me and the other half have been playing through ToV again from the start after we stopped playing for some reason that we can't figure out.

But as I play through, I can't help but realise something that's pissing me off greatly...

How did I not see the Schwaan plot from a fucking mile away the last time I played? It's not even remotely hidden.

>>3041350
Plot twists in the Tales games have never really been particularly subtle.

It always kinda irritated me that he just kinda shows back up later though. I don't remember them ever fully explaining that.

Atleast he was awesome though, so whatever.

Lambda tries so hard to sound like a badass in the future but you can tell he's just a big softee.

>>3041862

Casual conversations have to be awkward with him since he's always talking with that big, booming, evil voice no matter what he's saying or how he's feeling.

>>3042678
They needed a skit where he tries to play I Spy with Asbel.

>>3042876
I spy...with my tsundere eye

I still want to know what plot elements of RPGS Graces take and turns them on their head.

Is it running off and becoming a Knight is a bad idea and the basic idea of protecting someone is inherently flawed and essentially martyrism?

>Poking around in the cocoon a second time for the smithing book
>See a star event
>It's an Emeraude flashback
>"This bitch? Bracing for some ra-"
>Emeraude got handicapped in a research expedition Cornell ordered, so he feels guilty as fuck
>Takes her in as his second
>She falls in love with him, but he feels too guilty to return the feelings
>Emeraude sees him being nice to Lambda
>Tries to kill Lambda, because she wants Cornell to love her instead
>My face

I almost feel sorry for her now.

>>3043274
Well from a slightly different angle, it turns the traditional ideas of Tales games on their head.

For example: In almost every Tales game, the main villain is a good guy trying to destroy the world / humans in order to save it, and the heroes fail to convince them otherwise and have to kill them.

In Graces, the main villian just wants to destroy the world to save himself, and rather than just killing him, you convince him that his methods are wrong and make him back down.

iight niggas. I'm about to buy Symphonia tomorrow and possibly DotNW as well. What's your opinion on Symphonia? I heard it was the FF7 of Tales games.

So how is Xillia overall compared to the other HD Tales games?

>>3044381
I'm not sure whether I agree or not. I actually liked FF7.

>>3044381
The combat is pretty primative by more recent Tales standards, and the story is pretty much a cliche' storm, but it has an undeniable charm, a great cast and one of the more interesting worlds in the series.

No granted, Symphonia was my first so I have some undeniable nostalgia goggles on, but it's one of my favorites despite it's age.

>>3044278
They did that with Duke in Vesperia though.

Although calling Duke the villain is really stretching it, but he was the final boss.

But every game has some kind of deconstruction on the plot elements and themes since at least Symphonia.

It's what makes the Tales games really enjoyable. They take the old RPG cliches and play them dead straight, showing the lapses in logic and how much of a problem they can be in a more realistic setting with varied and deep characters

>>3044381
It's the FF7 in the sense that it was the first one many people played. it's not bad. Not great compared to say, Vesperia or Graces from a gameplay standpoint, but it's ultimately inoffensive.

>>3044381
> I heard it was the FF7 of Tales games.

It terms of nostalgia yes but I wouldn't say that it's the best. It has his own charm though

>>3044381
It's a great game in terms of plot, although the combat is now weak in comparison to the other Tales games.

Every character is what happens when you take RPG character archtypes and play them dead straight. Kind of FF7, really.

They're both deconstructions of RPG characters. Other then that, it's a fantastic game with good drama and a lot of funny skits.

Although I might be the only person to prefer Abyss to Symphonia.

What if...


What if they remade Symphonia with Graces battle system?

>>3044381
>and possibly DotNW as well.

Stop. Don't do it.

Speaking of calling out tropes/cliches, I like how Malik got pissed and told Asbel to fuck off with that shit when Asbel showed sympathy for Emeraude.

>>3044732
Wouldn't fix the everything else. It would make it more enjoyable combat wise though. They would have to rework a lot of characters though. Symphonia is the last main title I can remember that had pure casters. Raine and Genis would need some non spells and some decent autoattacks for a graces system to work.

>>3044732
It'd be a serious contender for best game in the series. As the game is now, it beats graces in plot, but loses in characters and combat. Match the combat and it only loses in characters. Though Vesperia will always have best characters and Abyss the most developed plot.

>>3044760

He can do it if he likes Marta or wants another Tales with funny-ass skits. But otherwise...

>>3043889
Wait until the Final Dungeon, then say the same thing.

>>3044860
All the tales games beats Graces in plot. Thats not an accomplishment.

>>3044863
I loved Marta, but fuck that game.

is there a set number of times you have to use an arte to get the adept/master titles, or does it vary by arte?

>>3044587
>But every game has some kind of deconstruction on the plot elements and themes since at least Symphonia.
They have been there from the start with Phantasia actually. Every game in the series does it for the most part.

>>3044860
Graces' characters are crap. Malik and Pascal have rather traditional anime/jRPG-type personalities (inb4 generalization), Asbel and Cheria hardly have personalities, and there is nothing spectacular about Hubert. Sophie is a fairly well done kuudere type (even though she clearly does have emotions).
I don't mean to say that ToS' characters are strong, but Lloyd has tons more personality than Asbel, and Zelos has more depth than the entire cast of ToG. ToS has some peripheral characters who don't really contribute much to the plot (Presea, Regal), but overall its cast is much stronger than Graces. Sure, it's as full of cliches as any other Tales game, but at least Symphonia's characters have personalities.

>>3045380
But ToS has shitty combat.

>>3045380
I agree with you, but I'd just like to add that despite the relatively weak cast, Graces F has the best / funniest post-battle skits bar none, and Richard in the future arc has enough personality for the entire cast.

>>3045380
You're a fag.

>>3045380
you're jaded bro

theres nothing wrong with traditional personalities, i enjoy them just as much as any of my other favourite jrpg casts

you're just fucking tired of them in general, theres nothing wrong with that but calling them crap is retarded

>>3045131
>>3044863
>>3045131

I need moar Wii games. I've seen gameplay and it doesn't look bad. The story and characters may not be all that but all and all, for 20 dollars this seems worthy to my Wii collection.

Notice how I didn't ask for opinions on DotNW.

>>3031248
This is actually how I felt when I started NG+, though I was rolling with 2.8 million gald myself.

>>3045380

I don't mind the cast of Graces. Better than most RPG's I've played. Sure they're traditional but they could be the cast of a FF game or worse, be a mute hero like that of DQ.

>>3045380

I thought Abyss and Vesperia had the greatest sets of characters.

Didn't really like Luke or Karol though. Everyone else was great.

When does Pascal start getting good? She's my favorite character but she keeps getting hit out of her spells and dies stupidly fast. She's level 55 now and I just got to Lambda's Cocoon.

>>3045793
Mute heroes can be pretty fucking boss if you're a good enough writer.

>>3046430
Pascal is a relatively advanced character who also has some questionable design decisions like locking one of her key mechanics (upgrading spells on the fly) behind usage titles. You can use her whenever, but you'll get the most use out of her when she has a ton of titles learned.

>>3046459

Like the brotag himself.

I'm curious. These threads always have a range of opinions on these games, which is nice. So, I'd like to ask:

1) What was your first Tales game?
2) How many have you played and which ones?
3) Which one is your favorite?

If someone has asked in the past, I'm sorry for asking again.

>>3046886
Vesperia
2, Graces f and Vesperia
Hard to choose since i haven't finished graces, and i kind of don't remember a lot of the specifics of vesperia

I suppose the easiest way to say it would be, i prefer the characters and setting of vesperia, but i like the combat and progression of graces more

>>3046886
1) Phantasia
2)Phantasia, Eternia, Abyss, Innocence, and Hearts
3)Hearts

>>3046967

This, one hundred times.

1) Vesperia
2) Five. Vesperia, Abyss, Symphonia, Symphonia 2, and Graces.
3) Vesperia

I plan on importing the remake of Destiny, and Destiny 2 because they look fucking awesome.

Calling it now: Sophie eventually kills herself.

'Tis the fate of all pseudo-immortals.

>>3046886
To answer my own questions:

1) Abyss
2) Symphonia 2 (briefly), Abyss, Symphonia, Phantasia, Destiny, Eternia, Innocence (briefly), Hearts, Graces, Tempest (for like 10 minutes.)
3) Hearts

Top 3 would be Hearts, Eternia, and Graces.

>>3046886

Destiny (original PS1 version)
Destiny, Phantasia, Vesperia, Graces, Symphonia, Eternia
Toss-up between Destiny and Vesperia. Destiny had the best plot, characters, bosses and difficulty curve, Vesperia had the best music, fighting mechanics and optional crap.

>>3047337
No, she becomes the Higlander and eventually had to battle other Immortals to battle for the Prize far off in the future.

In the end, there can be only one.

>>3046886
>1) What was your first Tales game?
Symphonia

>2) How many have you played and which ones?
Phantasia
Eternia
Symphonia
Rebirth
Legendia
Abyss
Innocence
Vesperia
Graces F

>3) Which one is your favorite?
Vesperia


Haven't played Destiny yet because I'm waiting for a translated version of Destiny II

>>3046886
>What was your first Tales game?
Technically Phantasia on an emulator but I never finished it until I got the GBA version, the first one I played through was Symphonia.

>How many have you played and which ones?
Symphonia, Legendia, Abyss, Phantasia GBA, Vesperia, Radiant Mythology, Symphonia 2, Graces F. So 8.

>Which one is your favorite?
Hard to choose really. It's between Symphonia, Vesperia and Graces. Combat goes to Graces hands down. Characters and humor goes to Vesperia. Symphonia gets a lot of credit for nostalgia, but it's a great game.

If you put a gun to my head, Vesperia. But it's really close.

>>3047360

Skipped over Vesperia? No 360, I take it?

>Victoria
>DEM SWIMSUIT.

MY DICK.

>>3046886
1) Destiny PS1
2)Played and beat Destiny, Destiny 2(not Eternia), Symphonia, Abyss, Vesperia, Destiny R, Graces.
Have played Rebirth, Phantasia, and Eternia but am not very far into them yet.
3)Destiny R

>>3047797
Pretty much. I might get the PS3 version in the distant future. Maybe.

1) Eternia
2) Phantasia, Eternia, Destiny (ps1), Abyss, Symphonia, Legendia, Vesperia, Innocence, Symphonia 2 and Graces F.
3) Eternia.

>dem long-winded cast chants that drag on into the win quotes

>>3049124
Over -the-top spell chants are the best thing about tales:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtCiP8B2xpc

>>3049291
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9MDmFiHdF4

>>2998381
>Graces f
>f
>Festival
Tales of Graces ƒestival.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSsUH6M8xBg

>>3047337
She seemed pretty happy in the epilogue movie. I imagine as long as the Llhant line endures, she will probably keep it together just fine.

And, honestly, its fucking Sophie, who is going to be able to even lay a finger on them without her going all fucking mama bear?

tfw you just know emeraude is evil and you are waiting for her to turn on you but it isn't happening when you expect it to

>>3049376
This pisses me the fuck off.

>>3050429
I remember when Vesperia first came out in Japan, there was news of people grabbing 360s just to play it.

If they only waited 2 years...

>>3050563
Thats a long time to wait bro.

>1) What was your first Tales game?
Symphonia

>2) How many have you played and which ones?
Symphonia, Abyss, Graces F, Innocence, DotNW

>3) Which one is your favorite?
Probably Graces F. I really want to try Vesperia though.

>>3046886
1) Symphonia
2) Phantasia, Destiny, Eternia, Symphonia, Legendia, Abyss, Vesperia, Graces F, Innocence
3) Abyss

>1) What was your first Tales game?
Symphonia
>2) How many have you played and which ones?
Symphonia, Abyss, Legendia, Phantasia, Dawn of the New World, and Graces F. Six, total.
>3) Which one is your favorite?
Tie between Abyss and Graces F, I would say. Graces F has fucking amazing combat, but Abyss has a better story and better characters, in my opinion. I also have a certain fondness for Legendia.

It always surprises me how just about everyone has played Symphonia. I never had a gamecube as a child. Maybe one day I can play it, just like Vesperia...

>>3054315
Symphonia was what gave this series exposure in the west. That's why people call it the FF7 of the series.

>1) What was your first Tales game?
Phantasia

2) How many have you played and which ones?
ToD, ToD2, ToS (and the sequel that doesn't exist), TOL, TOTA, TOV, TOH, and ToGf

3) Which one is your favorite?
Tales of Vesperia.

>>3047360
Another Hearts bro? Great, now there's someone who can help me tease the rest of the general until Kajitani finishes his patch!

So...why did I JUST learn that we are getting Vesperia First Strike Localized?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhVv6M2LAAM&feature=plcp&context=C46ca9e9VDvjVQa1PpcFM9HB59z5
jnZbFXFxHyg97-bNghKJRkUVY=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9pP8H-3078&feature=relmfu
>mfw Rita's voice

>>3054748
because it should only matter to plebes and faggots anyway, since there are already english subtitles

>>3046886

>1) What was your first Tales game?

Tales of Phantasia, SNES version with the "fucks like a tiger" translation.

>2) How many have you played and which ones?

6; Phantasia, Symphonia, Legendia, Dawn of the New World, Abyss, and Graces F in that order.

>3) Which one is your favorite?

Either Legendia or Symphonia. Graces F had the best combat but the plot and music are.... ehhh. Legendia had the worst combat but had the best soundtrack and a pretty decent cast (except for first half Shirley and some aspects of Senel); the plot in the first half was pretty decent, too. Symphonia had good plot and characters, which makes the less-good-than-Graces-F combat more tolerable in the long run.

Legendia would probably be the best in the series for me if it had Symphonia or Graces F combat, better graphics, and was voiced during the second half. Symphonia could be, too, but Legendia's soundtrack gives it a lot of points.

>>3046886
>What was your first Tales game?
Destiny (PS1)
>How many have you played and which ones?
Destiny, Eternia, Phantasia, Legendia, Abyss
>Which one is your favorite?
Destiny. Always and forever.

>Symphonia
>Symphonia, Abyss, Legendia, Phantasia, Symphonia 2, Vesperia, Graces
>Somewhere between Vesperia and Graces

>Future arc warrior's riot
> The fuck, Poisson?.
> 30K left to win
> Eleth burst, MA, all my party dead.

The fuck?.

>>3057352

If all these side characters are so damn powerful, why don't they join the party and kill the last boss in one blow?

>>3057531
Did you watch the skit? They can't be bothered.

>mfw the little queen fight in the lastalia shaft just before fodra's core

CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL CONFORM TO MY WILL

FUCK

>>3057531
Clearly they have better things to do.

is there is any doujins of little queen yet. because she obviously deserves it

>ng+
>playing on chaos difficulty
>just got to Fodra
>some of my characters have almost all of their titles at level 5
I should swap out more shouldn't I?

>>3057531
Because it's YOUR goal to beat them, to become stronger then them. If you can beat Veigue, Amber and Reala in the 3-on-4, who could ever hope to stop you?

Oh god I just used Malik Beam for the first time.
W
T
F
How the fuck did I do it I want more.

>>3062197
Sonic Mount with a level 1 eleth gauge.

>>3062590
Aha I see. Makes sense, I'm trying to master it right now.

A MAN SPEAKS WITH HIS BACK

how the fuck are you supposed to hit emeraude

every time i get in melee range she spams that aeo shit around her feet so i cant hit her or do any combos

this fight is gay as fuck

>>3046886
1) Eternia
2) Played Vesperia, Abyss, Symphonia, Symphonia 2, Graces, and Eternia. But I've only beaten Abyss and Eternia.
3) So far Eternia

>>3063418

I mostly Infernal Torrent'd may way through the battle. And yes, it is one of the hardest fights in the main arc. Have fun.

Alternatively, you know those Arcane Bottles and Hourglasses you've been hoarding all this time? It might be a good time to use them. But only if you really, REALLY need them, like you're about to die or something. The boss is beatable without them, if a little frustrating. No, I recommend you save them for the future arc final boss. You'll thank me later.

>>3063629
i only have 3 hourglasses and 2 arcane bottles

i don't have infernal torrent, moonlight circle upgrades to it but i can't get close enough to hit her with it

i guess i can try spamming demon fang...

>>3063418
You could just use hubert and his infinite shot chains. Also easier to dodge the little pseudo bullet hell stunt she pulls.

>>3063814
i just got it doing the demon fang thing and putting malik in my party so i had more ranged

but stupid fucking cunt cheria died literally a second before the boss did so she missed out on all that xp and sp

im fucking mad

>>3064125
What demon fang thing? Is there a trick to it or do you just mean using a ranged attack?

spoilers ahead

>seperate lambda from richard
>kill emeraude
>richard asks for lambda back

Ejected disc, snapped in two, broke controller, dismantled ps3, kicked tv out window, flew to japan and murdered the ceo of namco.

>>3064545
i mean just spamming demon fang and dodging her attacks while also using 20 life bottles because the ai is incapable of quickstepping

>>3008634
I always just set the neutral B arte to random.

I had a friend watch me play the other day. I was in Area 66. For one fleeting moment, there were so many high level spells going off at the same time, I actually saw the frame rate dip. He remarked that he had know idea how I could tell which spells were friendly and which were hostile. Like one enemy AoE attack that spawned under me looked to him like I was about to get powered up, or something.

I guess it's a fair comment, though since you kinda watch your characters acquire each new arte, you inevitably familiarize yourself with them. Though it doesn't help that some enemies and bosses share your attacks, like Richard using Maelstrom.

psp just came in the mail today. it's hacked and now I just needs to downlaod some games. People in the last thread recommended ToEternia (obviously) and Ys Seven. Any other good RPGs you guys recommend (or PSP games in general). How are the Star Ocean Games?

>>3068615
crimson gem saga is a pretty decent albeit extremely traditional and simple jrpg

crisis core, birth by sleep, 3rd birthday, lumines, patapon 2 and 3, jeanne d'arc, prinny can i really be the hero, monsters (probably) stole my princess (its a very short mini, but it has a lot of replay value if you like chasing high scores), lunar: silver star harmony, final fantasy iv complete, both god of war psp games, tactics ogre, ff tactis wotl, and monster hunter freedom unite

thats all i can think of off the top of my head, jrpgs mixed with otehr games, all of them at least decent

>>3068615
Star Ocean 1 hasn't aged very well, but the PSPmake of 2 is decent enough to give it a look if you haven't played it before.

Lunar PSPmake is really good, although it shows its age as one of the first RPGs to actually be given a localization treatment.

do yourself a massive favor and whack some emulators on it; the GBA emulator in particular is excellent. GBA games look fantastic on the PSP screen, and there's a wealth of excellent GBA RPGs. I can also recommend the Capcom CPS2 arcade emulator for literally every single fucking title.

If you speak moon or don't mind following a translation guide, look into the SRW PSP titles, especially since Z2.2 just came out. P3Portable is worth it for FeMC even if you've played it before.

Crisis Core and Birth by Sleep are both excellent. Valkyrie Profile: Lenneth is a no-miss, especially if you've never touched a VP before. Jeanne D'Arc and Disgaea are both fantastic SRPGs, although if you've never played a Disgaea before you run the risk of losing months of your life in order to grind.

You're spoilt for choice really.

>dat feel when I only played Tales of Phantasia and never played the other games because of Sequelitis fear
Convince me to play'em, ha/vg/aems.

>>3068823
Graces F has the best combat in the series since it went 3D.

It has a quickstep mechanic that also acts as a universal cancel for some characters. Guarding has a charge, meaning it carries both risk (guard broken) and reward (easier crit on next hit). Has not one, but two super meters that have special effects of their own. Hybrid classes out the wazoo and every single character is fun to play. CC mechanic means no more skill whoring and TP gels.

Don't think of any Tales game as sequelitis. It's more like, every single Tales is a new game. Graces F is a keeper, even with flaws. You're missing out.

>>3068823
sequelitis doesn't exist with Tales, because very few Tales games are related outside of gameplay and thematic elements.

It's very similar to Final Fantasy in that way.

>>3069293
the way i describe tales to people that haven't heard of it is

"Like final fantasy except more weaboo"

well, this should keep my internet busy for a while. sadly demonoid is giving me errors when trying to load other 40+ gig torrents, so a bunch of games I want i'm gonna have to wait to finish downloading. oh well. How's Tales of the World, anyway?

>>3069463
i thought it was pretty meh

but im generally unimpressed by portable entries that just feel like stripped down versions of console games

>>3069463
Grab Star Soldier PSP if you can, too. That has a funky ass control scheme that involves turning the PSP 90 degrees sideways but it's a fucking awesome port.

Tales of the World is shit. I like tales and it was shit.

>>3068823
>It's more like, every single Tales is a new game
This. The Tales of games don't really play on each other like some of the Final Fantasy titles and while the story in each one is fairly meh tier, it doesn't stop them from delivering new and interesting concepts yet still having that feel of it being a Tales of game.
Also getting to play and know the characters in each of the games is practically a must for a Tales of gamer, especially since they seem to makes cameos in just about all of them.

>Hubert, you want Pascal's messing around to bring you to a painful finish?
>I.. I didn't say that!
>Hey, maybe you're into that sort of thing

Oh god. I can't stop laughing.

>>3070314

Actually, it's maybe *she's* into that sort of thing, but yeah. Here ends my nitpick.

I love Graces battle system but...seriously, the whole 'errybody gettin iron stance' later on is just fucking annoying and almost kills it. Too many enemies attack far too quickly and without warning to just be getting random iron stances in the middle of your combos.

Challenging and irritating are two different things and this game toes that line quite a bit.

>>3075343
Just put Hubert in the party. His accuracy is so high he can shoot almost anything out of iron stance very quickly.

>>3075446
He is.

But it does no good when you attack someone, they get staggered, then pop out of stagger mid-combo and rail your ass immediately. It's silly.

This is annoying. I want to get a decent income of absorb/holy/tension shards, to make a high level HP recovery gem for one or more of my characters (depending on how long I can stand the temper grinding) but I never get more than a couple of the things at a time. I'll notice a few in my inventory and grind the area I got them at a while, and just nt get anymore.

Are shards actually dropped by specific monsters or are they just random or something? I want some passive healing, dang it!

>>3083556
you know if you get the same type and level of shard they don't show them seperately in your inventory, it should say for instance Attack [3] x4

or something

i think

>>3083864

I've been getting a lot of attack/defense/evade/aim shards and stuff. But I have only gotten a few of the healing shards so far. I mean if they are supposed to be a late game thing I guess that makes sense but it's frustrating that I HAVE gotten the things, just not enough to do anything worth a damn with them.

beat the queen in 15 seconds just for the trophy. feels good man

Assuming I ever fucking get two Alluring Feathers so this dumb shit will let me move on with the rest of the game, what are some good gems to make in NG+? I've barely used any so I'll be carrying over a fuck ton of materials.

>mfw I saw Sophie's title Rapier Trainee as Raper Trainee
After switching it up with everyone I'm now at odds at who I like using the most, though I could probably use Malik a little more.

>>3089289
>Use Malik
>Malik dies
>"Forgive me..."
>Irrationally rage at the sound of him saying that

>>3083864

What? No they don't, they're always listed separately.

>Farming for dolls
>Making good progress with Alluring Feathers and Perilous Liquid
>Decide to crank up difficulty to speed things up
>Get careless and die in Lastalia Shaft
>Haven't saved once since I started an hour ago

I'll never get the rest of the dolls at this rate...

Guys, there is a way to give an equipment two effect of shards, so when I upgrade them, always have one and the other effect to the gem?.

Somehow I managed to do that on an Armor (ended with two effects instead of one, so I have a Rise 4 effect and only throwing X 5 effect, so that effect goes to the gem and the equipment conserve the Rise one).

I messed up some of the best armors that already have an effect to do that...

>>3090371
There's a Richard Doll down at the bottom of the Shaft, there's one of 42 down.

>mastering every arte

Sophie's charge artes are a serious pain, especially Beast...

GOOD THING I GOT 4 SOPHIES ON THE FIELD

On the plus side, Sophie's quite fun...so fucking fast.

>you'd never learn the thrill of the hunt fishing for Lady Marta though, she's far too easy of a catch.

OH SNAP

Don't do this Emeraude...

>>3096451
Best theme of the game though.

So it occurred to me that Hubert uses a bladestaff. A bladestaff that converts into a bow, but can also be split apart into dual blades, which in turn can be converted into dual pistols.

Surely it must have a secret compartment for delicious treats, as well?

>>3097213
But she...
Yeah, actually it was pretty nice.

>>3097379
Lawfags don't like candy.

I beat the main game pretty quick after release, but haven't played much of Future Arc even though everyone seems considerably less twatish. Not sure why.

>>3095693
Wow I actually remember that quote.

It's funny because it's true. If Emil wasn't such a wimp he could probably have Marta any way he liked.

>>3046886

1) What was your first Tales game?
-Tales of Destiny
2) How many have you played and which ones?
-ToD, ToDR(DC), ToP, ToV, ToG, ToX
3) Which one is your favorite?
-Tales of Destiny R: DC

>>3095693
I want to know who wrote Tenebrae, because I refuse to believe it was the same ass that wrote the rest of the game.

>>3046886
Symphonia

(in no particular order) Symphonia, Vesperia, Phantasia, Destiny, Abyss, Graces F, Symphonia 2

Vesperia

>>3097562
Everyone is better in the Future Arc, even the normally awful Pascal and Richard are great. The only exception is Sophie, who is far worse, presumably to make up the difference.

>>3097739
Jade materialized into real life and hacked the game's script before release.

Maybe I've just become jaded by all this (on-going) farming for Narikiri dolls but I'm started to feel less and less impressed by the battle system. The AI is so fucking retarded that you're practically forced to play Asbel. If you die and don't instantly Life Bottle you're on a slippery slope to the reload screen. And, with Asbel at least, it doesn't matter what the enemy is weak to, just set Frost Breaker or Lightning to O, press and hold it to win the battle due to the retarded stun locking every time an enemy looks at you.

Ugh why won't these Alluring Feathers drop, I'm sick of this.

>>3098051
I dunno if it makes a difference but when I got the alluring feathers, most times I killed the bird with a mystic arte. Also, are you using titles that increase drop rate?

So i just picked up Tales of the Abyss for the 3ds and i'm looking forward to playing it.

How long is the game?
is it better than tales of symphonia?
How bad is the 3d?

>>3098051
No battle system is fun when farming comes into the equation.

>>3098217
>How long is the game?

Took me about 57 hours, but I did a lot of the sidequests

>is it better than tales of symphonia?

Combat-wise, yes


How bad is the 3d?
It was barely noticeable to me due to the game's viewpoint.

>>3098217
Abyss is better than Tales of Symphonia where gameplay is concerned, in pretty much every way.

Not sure about length. Symphonia is a meaty game given the nature of its plot, but Abyss is quite long too. Longer than it needs to be, some would say.

I might be driven to say Abyss is the longer game though.

I don't know anything about the 3D.

>>3098409
nothing to know about the 3d. Its exactly the same

>>3097451
But what if the candy is the universe's healing supply?

>>3098686
He'll force people to go through the bureaucratic process in order to consume it.

>>3092982

>that feel when you do a long arte chain then charge up for deadly force and it charges instantaneously

so fun

>No Idolmaster costumes.
>No Geass costumes.
>No .hack costumes.
>No Sophie Miku.

SONY, I WANT TO SPEND MORE MONEY ON THIS, WHY YOU NOT LET ME?
Xillia is going to be just as bad, isn't it?

>>3098965
Wait, they use the same speedcast dynamic?

I did notice that they charged faster as I used them more, but I attributed that to title perks, or something.

>>3099220
>implying it isn't a much worse game

>>3099282
Putting a spell at the end of an A chain is the only way to get the big ones off under pressure.

>>3097379
Well the ingame descriptions always say the dualblade is an extremely difficult weapon to use.

>>3099331
Yeah I know in general spells get sped up when you chain into them, but I never really figured Sophie's link artes worked the same way.

Since they're not really spells.

>Raymond
Is this nigga serious?

>Great or greatest Tales of protagonist
>Saves the worlds
>All he wants is a good meal

>>3099448
Anything with a cast time seems to have this effect. You also need to exploit it with Hubert, especially his gravity bullet, because its range is way too short to safely use with its regular casting time.

>>3099220
I have hopes for xillia, but i know next to nothing about it.

Still, can't be as bad as graces.

>>3099629
Stops some 2000 year old hippie faggot from turning his home planet into a giant golf ball

All he wants is Kohaku's ass

>>3099769
enjoy your 9-hour p2win game with no extra content.

>>3046886
>1) What was your first Tales game?
Tales of Eternia
>2) How many have you played and which ones?
Eternia, Phantasia, Symphonia, Symphonia 2, Vesperia, Legendia,

>3) Which one is your favorite?
Eternia followed by Symphonia