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apparantly, that dome would have had it's own precipitation and the noise would be deafening. plus berlin is on a swamp, so it would have been impossible to build.

fucking racist scum.

I wonder if Hitler wouldn't have thought better to move all his jews to the 'promised land' had he got near to winning the war early.

>>1197174
He didint expect France and England to break the peace treaty when he invaded Poland so the only threat he saw was Soviet and they would be easy to deal with if he put all is power aginst them only.

>>1197170

The germans also wondered if Berlin's ground could hold the Volkshalle, that's why they made a gigantic cement weight in order to test the ground.

And it seems that with a little bit of work, it could have been built

That would have been such an ugly city.

>>1197212
Indeed, Hitler wanted Speer to make the hall even bigger if i remember correct, but this was the largest that would be possible.

>>1197239
So funny how a madman could have ruined it all because of his stupidity.

>>1197253
Big huge heap of wasted metal.

Silly krauts and their passion with big phallic objects.

>>1197256
Hitler became way too confident and lost the grip of reality, the German army could have won the two front war with some luck if he had allowed the generals to actualy do something insted of giving all orders himself.

>>1197271

>Big huge heap of wasted metal.

>Silly krauts and their passion with big phallic objects.

That is basically a railway gun on its own wheels. If you think the railway gun was useless, ask the French who were shelled on the Maginot Line.

If the Nazis had totally mobile railway guns we would've been fucked.

>>1197279
Ever heard about the mad wako stuff regarding him and believing that he was going to die prior to world war 2?

The guy seriously went out of his mind and actually started to believe he was some sort of mesiah or something, sad creep indeed.

Feeling worse considering how he pushed Germany to the brink of oblivion because of his bigotry.

>>1197300
And Himmler with his occultism didint really help focusing on the war. Allthough it would have been intresting to see how the "new" religion they were developing would have turned out.

>>1197299

They never used them against the maginot line, they bypassed it.

They needed 1k troops to move, operate and mantain the thing, which could only fire a shot every 30 minutes, causing ridiculously inaccurate damage.

Not to mention that even if railed, it didn't really help the krauts much in Russia, where the rails were of a different size, forcing them to spend even more people in order to refit the rails for accomodating, not to mention all the materials they wasted in those big toys that could have been used for making planes, tanks or whatever the fuck that was actually needed.

>>1197321

Himmler was responsible for the unneeded deaths of many germans by the end of WWII because of his craptastic military knowledge.

Any SS religion would have ended up fucking up germany indeed, I think there's a couple of alternate history books that cover that topic.

I love how they were thinking so much out of the box when designing all the new planes, desperation sure can make wonderful things.

>>1197333
This.

>>1197326

My bad, I was thinking of the Soviet front not the Maginot Line.

About 50 rounds were fired on Sevastopol, basically making rubble out of rubble. Railway Guns tended not to be used for long periods because it was so easy to outmaneuver them, this would've been much more difficult were they not stuck on rails.

>>1197349
The germans pretty much invented jet engines and cruise missiles as we know them today.

The krauts went waaay fucking ahead of their time, and the model I just posted had been sketched in 1939, just before the war; and the first working prototype was scrapped in order to use the metal for making Panther tanks in 1942.

>>1197376
Yeah, i wonder how the technology in the world would be if they had won.

Not to mention that both Soviets and Yanks pretty much took every single precious scientist they could, and got them to give them all their advanced weapon technologies over to them.

NAZI GERMANY = BEST GERMANY

ZIS VOULD NEVER HAF HAPPENED UNDER ZE FUHRER!!

>>1197385

Not sure it would have developed too much, remember that many of those designs were tested by both soviets and yanks after WWII, some were used for making spy planes and eventually stealth. Others were modified and used to make new types of tanks and more modern combat doctrines.

Many SS officers were recruitted by the US in order to train the Green Berets.

>>1197385

>Yeah, i wonder how the technology in the world would be if they had won.

Today's technology would be godlike if they had won, also as a bonus we would have no Jews!

>>1197399

Arguable, we'd be insulting the reich about as much as noobs insult the yanks.

...humanity would have a capitol on the moon by now.

>>1197415
We didn't get it with 2 superpowers competing for it, and we would have got it with germany?

>>1197412
I doubt it, the whole decadent "mtv culture" wouldnt exist.

>>1197430

The grass is greener at the other side of the fence.
The Nazi society would have eventually succumbed under its most conservative elements, and would have become a backward society.

What made germany great wasn't Nazism, what made and makes germany great is the greatness of its people.

>>1197424

>We didn't get it with 2 superpowers competing for it, and we would have got it with germany?

The Nazis would've signed no fucking "Outer-Space Treaty".

NAZI Germany had the coolest architecture and buildings.

And symbols.

>>1197447
Good points, i guess that's the way of all big empires, nothing lasts forever.

>>1197455
Nazi germany would have fallen just like the Berlin Wall and Communism did.
>>1197462
Correction, Speer was a superb architect, and many germans of that time were extremely skilled people.
>>1197463
My words.

while I agree that the Nazi's were leap years ahead in tech and science... they were a regime that was wholly incompatible with the rest of civilization. genocide and war are not the way to promote your society. If Germany would have instead focused on science and the arts, and have been a peaceful and technologically advanced culture, I promise you all of Europe today would have been the envy of the world, under a proud German banner.

>>1197501

Surprisingly, that's what Germany is pretty much doing nowadays.

A shining example of how a democracy should be.

>>1197514
But it dosent have the special feeling, where the people really are happy and proud of their fellow citizens and their goverment.

*Wonders why a namefag using JIDF as a name thinks their opinion on absolutely anything matters, especially on the subject of Germany.*

>If Germany would have instead focused on science and the arts, and have been a peaceful and technologically advanced culture

They would have starved to dead anyways and chaos would break out anyways and either one or the other extreme side would've taken over anyways.

They dont have some sort of Hindu culture and can live with starving to dead as their fate. Germany was in the shitter.

>>1197542
>Implying anyone cares about his nametag.

>>1197554

Obviously, I do.

>>1197539
Human nature is to be unhappy, the modern german state pretty much gives welfare for even a sore penis.
>>1197542
I happen to be a rabid fan of germany.
And also love the Kike Republic of Israel <3

>>1197549
Actually the pure blooded German people had it very well during the time before the war with alot of welfare and family care.

>>1197557
when you see it...

Nametag is to mock all the libtard aspies wishing for kike blood.

>>1197557
Hitler face in the wall!

>>1197572
The National Socialist experience was too short to be measurable historically.

I'll concur that a proper analysis of its socio-economical management should be done, but I don't really think it would have had a destiny too different to the USSR in the long term.

Disregard, I suck cocks.

>>1197602
Cawk please.

THE HOLOCAUST NEVER HAPPENED

>>1197614
Anti-semites like you make me sick, don't you know we rule the world now?

>>1197614
Please dont use this thread for that, post in one of the other 100000 threads.

>>1197614
>Unrealistic Expectations
>>1197618
>Not classy, 0/10

>>1197501
i agree, anon

there are many films about nazigermany winning in europe.
check out fatherland (imdblink)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109779/

pic related, bomberschreck

>>1197656
Funny Volkswaggen...

If only...

>>1197146

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>>1197670
>No united Scandinavia
>:(

ME262 HGII

I make a living by purchasing the homes of evicted Palestinian families for peanuts, and selling them to Israeli settlers for a profit.

>>1197683

>>1197670
You missed the basque country, Catalonia, Karelia was Finish.

etc etc etc

>>1197680
Most Norwegians and Danes don't want such union.

>>1197685
Keep running for the jackpot.
>>1197698
They don't even speak the same language, afaik, so whatever.

>>1197698
Pff, then Sweden shall conquer them like in the old days!

>>1197697
4 out of 5 Catalonians don't want independence.

Basques are fucking terrorists.

I once tied a Palestinian infant to my chest, to discourage older Palestinians from throwing stones at me.

After it had won the war and was done expanding, decades later the decadence would set in. People would have no more drive. The Nazi party existed only because the people wanted to reposition Germany among the greatest nations. Once that is done, the people want other things. They want luxury, trade, exotics. Nazi Germany could, of course, provide all these things. But why should they? At this point they'd have turned just as decadent (and power hungry) as the people they govern and surely the nazi ideology of the Third Reich would have become nothing more than an empty slogan for a nation of fat, lazy, and overly rich Nazi-Americans.

My opinion is that in order for Nazi-Germany to have prospered the way it did, it needed an enemy for the people to focus its attention on. I also believe that the war was what drove the industry for a large part, and once that diminishes, *boom* there's unemployment.

>>1197702

Imagine how easy it is to sunk that lovely floating coffin with a single exocet.

Yea, that's why there aren't so many glorious battleships left... Not like I don't miss em.

>>1197670
all of Europe will be one nation eventually, what the present day borders are doesn't really matter so much

Imperial Japan with new Samurais would have been intresting.

>>1197670

Lol, greece

>>1197697
I agree with Karelia, Spanish separatists are however stupid.

>>1197719
if they'd won they've have probably turned their attention to Africa

6 million dead in Europe would have looked reasonable in comparison

>>1197721
War these days are horribly boring
>>1197725
NWO! NWO! NWO! BUY GOLD!

>>1197742
Catalunia, Okay they are fags.

Basque? Fuck you anon.
Basque supremacy ftw.

>>1197290
My new wallpaper.

>>1197754
Sorry but war isn't showing your big canons and letting the enemy see you coming from 5 miles away.

>>1197742
shittiest map ever

>>1197719
>decades later the decadence would set in

But probably not as bad as in this world?

It won't get funnier until we start colonizing other planets.

Otherwise, war is pretty costly... Way too costly for countries bothering to use it as a pretext for great world wars. For bush wars with stupid sand niggers and niggers in general, sure, but super power vs super power would be too fucked up.

WW2 was already fucked up as it was.

Hitler could have won if those damn Italians knew how to keep Greeks and Serbs down.

>>1197768
Thats why i pref ancient battles with big flags and awsome armor.

>>1197770
I can smell your English butthurt from here.

>>1197776
Yeah it kind of sucks, because there's really no other way to curb massive unemployment

>>1197782
I doubt it, Hitler was not a strategist, he was a painter.

>>1197802

he was still a pretty good strategists, but he got too confident when he attacked the USSR

>>1197814
No he didn't, he just fucked it up.

>>1197782
he was fucked from the point he attacked the Soviet Union with Britain still in the war and the United States friendly with both his enemies, Italian incompetence wasn't that big a factor

>>1197817

cool argument bro

What really annoys me about all this is how a few small decisions could have changed the entire course of the war.

Going ahead with Sealion in 1940 for example

>>1197822

where do you get all these from?

http://www.luft46.com/

>>1197824
True, he should have attacked Britain and Iceland first.

>>1197838
it wasn't an option after losing the Battle of Britain

and even with air superiority the Royal Navy planned to simply block the channel at any cost

>>1197838
Derp; hurr.

>>1197864
That's why I think the battle of britain was a huge mistake... all those planes and pilots were wasted. If they had just been focused on creating a narrow corridor through the channel & keeping the RN away, it would have been possible to get troops across (Sending paratroopers in would have helped too)

Later in 1941 the Germans achieved this during the invasion of Crete, over a much longer distance so I'm sure it would have been possible.

Hitler just didn't want to invade due to ideological reasons

Winning in Hearts of Iron 2 doesnt make you a strategical genius.

>>1197906
>Whats a supply line?

>>1197932

Fail. It could crush anyone on its back in a second.

>>1197906
how could they have possibly kept the RN at bay without air superiority?

and even if they managed to land troops before the RN could react, what would they do in a few days time when it arrived in force in the channel? they'd be cut off on the south coast

>>1197906
Germany had a vastly inferior navy and too few air assets to overcome the RAF and UK's defences. Taking control of the Channel would have been near impossible and would have resulted in an operational disaster.

>>1197971
So if they were doomed to defeat the UK and the Soviets what could they possibly do?

>>1197951
They failed to achieve air superiority over southern Britain, achieving air superiority over the channel is a different thing and it would have probably been easier

>>1197906

The german paratroopers were (almost) annihilated in Crete. Their losses were staggering.

Shouldn't the military discussion be at /k/ while the whole International Relations and NEWS be here?

>>1197981
how would it? it's only 20 or so extra miles from any given air base in the UK

The thread has been derailed. We were originally talking about how the world would look under German rule. Now you're all discussing *how* it could have been done.

>>1198024
By not operating at their range limit and (initally) outnumbering the RAF

>>1197652

I just watched the first minute of that film and i'm unsure whether to continue.

>implying the USA would have withdrawn if defeated in the invasion of Normandy
>disregarding the advances in Italy
>implying the SU wouldn't have taken Berlin by 1945 evne if that happened
etc

>>1197971

>Germany had a vastly inferior navy and too few air assets to overcome the RAF and UK's defences. Taking control of the Channel would have been near impossible and would have resulted in an operational disaster.

Actually, in the Battle Of Britain Germany had a massive advantage in terms of numbers in the air. Britain had very few fighters that it could use to intercept the Luftwaffe, but by then Britain had a full RADAR array and had more than enough warning to put those few fighters in exactly the right place at the right time.

If Germany had completed their "stealth" fighter on the other hand, things would have been much different.

>>1198029
well, it couldn't have been done

they'd never have been able to defeat the US even if they'd managed to defeat the UK and the Soviet Union

i guess it would probably have culminated in the US nuking German cities until they were forced to surrender

>>1198058
i still can't see how they could have successfully invaded though

i guess they'd have continued bombing the UK until peace terms were agreed

>>1198059

>they'd never have been able to defeat the US even if they'd managed to defeat the UK and the Soviet Union

>i guess it would probably have culminated in the US nuking German cities until they were forced to surrender

If the Reich had won the Battle Of Britain and held on the Soviet front, and survived beyond 1945, they would have had their own nuclear weapons, and bombers that could reach the continental United States.

>>1198073

>i guess they'd have continued bombing the UK until peace terms were agreed

That's exactly it, they would've just done to us what we later did to Dresden. Only it would've been much worse.

>>1198059

Or the US engaging in peace talks with Germany.

Remember the UK had almost all of southern Asia. India et al. would have revolted, most of the bases falling into Japan's hands. The Axis would have had all the resources in the world to fuel their war economies.

>>1198090

>they would've just done to us what we later did to Dresden. Only it would've been much worse.

Yeah it'd have been much, much worse because it'd have been us at the recieving end.

>>1198084
how do you figure that? even capturing every factory in the Soviet Union intact would have left them a fair distance behind the US in terms of industrial capacity

>>1198097

>Yeah it'd have been much, much worse because it'd have been us at the recieving end.

LOL. Yeah, there's that, but Germany also had many more bombers than Britain IIRC, not to mention it was just about to get its own atomic bomb programme in full swing.

>>1198100

>how do you figure that? even capturing every factory in the Soviet Union intact would have left them a fair distance behind the US in terms of industrial capacity

I'm not sure what it has to do with industrial capacity, if you win the R&D race you only need to make a couple of atomic bombs (as demonstrated by the U.S.)

>>1198073
With air superiority you can airlift troops and supplies across, like it happened in Crete. The paratroopers just need to take a few airfields and hold them long enough. Seaborne reinforcements to Crete were repelled by the RN but in the context of the battle of britain we're talking about a stronger german air force and shorter distances

>>1197980
The Nazis should have focused on Moscow during Operation Barbarossa instead of the oil rich regions south of Kiev and Stalingrad. Hitler feared making the same mistake as Napoleon so he opted to impose economic attrition on the Soviets rather than political attrition by taking their capitol. This was a miscalculation as Russian soldiers and armor did not need nearly as many resources as the Germans did.

/armchair tactician

>>1198111
to build a fleet of long range heavy bombers, something they never bothered to do in reality

after looking it up it turns out that they weren't close to making a nuclear bomb either, because they'd decided to concentrate on conventional weapons, they wouldn't have had time to catch up

>>1198096
STUKA!!

>>1198100
read this please

http://webfairy.org/missilegate/rfz/swaz/index.htm

the germans were very close to getting a nuke, in a hypothetical scenario where the war had lasted longer Manhattan would have been destroyed

>>1198133
What about ICBMs?

>>1198124
against a country with a vastly larger population, decent anti-air defences and plans in place to use any means necessary to repel invaders

they couldn't have landed enough troops by air

>>1198144
>the germans were very close to getting a nuke

Were they really? I thought Hitler gave up on that project?

The simplest way for Germany to win the war would've been NOT going to greece/north afrika to bail out italy, but instead launch barbarossa in early '40 as originally planned, while soviet officer base was in shambles and army poorly equipped

>>1198144
all the other sources i could find disagree with that

it could be accurate i guess, but i'm not convinced

>>1198166
Heisenberg either fucked up his math or sabotaged the project on purpose

but yeah, germans were the first to split the atom and have atomic piles running

>>1198133

>after looking it up it turns out that they weren't close to making a nuclear bomb either, because they'd decided to concentrate on conventional weapons, they wouldn't have had time to catch up

They wouldn't have been able to produce nuclear weapons before V.E. day, but if V.E. day never happened we don't know how much longer they would've needed. It might not have been long at all.

They already had the Ho-229 bomber practically ready to go as allied troops were entering Germany, and their "Americabomber" was not far behind either. IIRC German timetables found by allies after V.E. day showed that the Nazis expected to have long range nuclear bombing capability by the end of 1946. You could say this was optimistic, but had they actually won in Europe I think they would've had the resources to pull it off.

>>1198126

Remember, Napoleon took Moscow and was waiting for the Russian surrender... and waiting.... and waiting.. and waiting...

Same thing would have happened if the Germans did manage to encircle and take Moscow. A political capital is easier to move than an economic one.

The single biggest "mistake" they did was to antagonize the Ukrainian/Russian civilians. Some of them - particularly in the Ukraine - were actually pretty benevolent towards the germans until they managed to piss them off with their retarded WE SUPERIOR NOW attitudes.
Not that it wasn't actually coded into the training and ideology, so it was pretty much the natural course of events. The polish /slavic and jewish civilian issues are given, but Germany and her civilians paid dearly for Hitler's hubris as well.

The thing is, the biggest disaster to befall the germans wasn't Stalin or the SU, it was Hitler himself.

>>1198218

yes

they failed to exploit the immense hate the civilians of Ukraine had against Stalin and the Soviets.

>>1198218

>ukranians

the germans took all their food and shipped it back to germany.

>>1198218
That has been my conclusion. Evil tends to eat itself slowly and when I look at the rot that set in under the Third Reich that belief is reinforced.

I see Barbarossa as a desperate attempt to avoid a two front war. After failing to make Britain surrender, Germany was trapped in between two potential invaders, to the west and to the east.

Hitler also confirmed this at the end of the war, I believe. That he had to attack Stalin as soon as posible, because he was certain that Stalin was planning an invation around 1944-45.

>>1198380
Holy shit is that 'the perfect sniper'? I loved that book.

>>1198311

I'm not going to dispute that, even though anglo-soviet cooperation would have been the next logical step for both sides, and it was already ongoing on a low level, we can argue all day what would have happened a few years down the line.

But the invasion itself was also grounded in grand geopolitical (settlement) and ideological (bolshevism) reasons as well, it wasn't just a scramble for resources, Hitler wasn't always a keen follower of Realpolitik if you know what i mean.

And this brings me t o this point:
>>1198292

Even though i don't believe the use of the term "evil" is appropriate in politics, but it's true that dictators and dictatorships sometimes have a tendency to detach themselves from reality, as their own ideology starts to blur their perceptions.
(lolwinter clothes, slavic scum have nothing on us, we just have to kick in the door, etc)

The specific belief of superiority (in every sense) and a "vae victis" attitude that marginalises everybody who is not "us" is not the most appropriate attitude when things are hanging in the balance.

>>1198380

What is this from, I just tineyed the image and it provided no useful results?

I doubt the Reich would have lasted very long even if it had won the war. Power was concentrated so heavily in Hitler that as soon as he died, the empire would have been partitioned, if not engulfed in civil war.

It's like with the Macedonian Empire- rapid, wide-spread conquests and a stiff vertical power structure, in that case a monarchy, don't create a stable empire.

These germans plane designs, infra-red torches, assault rifle and all the "inventions" are really fascinating but nuclear research wasn't the only area where Germany was falling short.

The biggest issue, that is not widely known for some reason, were the artillery fuses. The west has already developed and started using proximity fuses with primitive doppler radars in them, which gave them a HUGE advantage primarily in AA roles and later on in "standard" artillery engagements. They managed to miniaturize them to the point where it was used in autocannon ammunition as well.
The use of these fuses on land was forbidden till 1944 in order not to give away the secret (unexploded shells), and the germans oly became definitely aware by late 1944 when they captured some in the their last-ditch offensive in the Ardennes. It was surely a "holy shit" moment for them back in the lab, as it would have been devastating when used against enemy bomber formations.

>>1198531
I agree, there was definetely an urge in the German government to expans eastwards (Drang nach Osten).