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Its scary!

The US Trade Commission has listened to the RIAA and MPAA and intends to switch around innocent until proven guilty to guilty until proven innocent.

^ This is why you should join your state/national/regional pirate party.

Help stop the government from taking away our rights! The US Pirate Party is trying to save us from the corporate beasts that control our congress!

>help spread the knowledge!

Why don't you help spread the knowledge and post what the fuck it says. I'm not downloading shit.

The US Trade Commission is trying to criminalize copyright infringement which means jailtime. Join the fight! Join the US Pirate Party! http://pirate-party.us/

We're all pirates. Not in the sense that we steal and sell, but in the sense that we want to swashbuckle our government back into working for us.

Sorry, it's 56 pages. If people don't mind, I would gladly post it.

>The US Trade Commission is trying to criminalize copyright infringement which means jailtime

So breaking a law means you'll actually be punished for it? OH THE HUMANITY!

>>436978
Please

>>437018

You should read this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8544935.stm

And rethink your comment.

>>437018
if you really don't understand why people have an issue with this, you are a moron.

did you know that before the RIAA and MPAA came around, you were not committing the crime of copyright infringement unless you profited from it? So lets say Joe the dirt farmer wants to have a new plow, so he builds one using his neighbors as a template. His neighbors plow is copyrighted. However our good man Joe hasn't infringed on that copyright because he is making the plow for his own use. Now if Joe were to decide to make a couple plows and sell them to his neighbors, then he would be infringing on the copyright.

Do you understand now? Copyright law is a real life example of the Slippery Slope political theory.

>>437097

No, YOU don't understand. By illegally copying property of another individual, you are reducing his profit margin.

Quit crying and realize what you're doing is light theft.

>>437148
>By illegally copying property of another individual, you are reducing his profit margin.

This is what delusional corporate brainwashed idiots really believe.

HINT: The only people making profits from music and movies are CORPORATE MIDDLE MEN doing MAKEWORK.

And two: PUBLISHERS THAT HAVE PUT THEIR SONGS AND BOOKS AND STUFF FOR FREE HAVE SEEN INCREASED SALES!

>>437148
If I am capable of copying their intellectual property for my own use, it clearly has no monetary value.

This is simply an attempt to make something that is worth nothing become worth something through the application of regulations.

Is there any way to stop ACTA from being legislated?

This is pretty scary, corporations already have enough power.

>>437248
march on washington and lynch all the politicians and lawyers we can find?

>>437148
Do you think your favorite teeny-pop band makes money from a $10 CD?

Or from the $20 concert ticket, $45 t-shirt, and $15 autographed poster?

>>437148
No. Goddamn. Theft involves the taking of ACTUAL property. Copyright infringement is a CIVIL matter, even if it causes monetary damage. Slander/libel may cause a person to lose money, but you can't face CRIMINAL charges for it.

Unfortunately, lynching politicians won't work because they have no say over this. It's all on the US Trade Office.

>>437293
Politicians allow it to happen.

>>437264
>>437293
>>437303

Well how do you stop lobbying? Because it seems like lobbying is behind this.

I want to torture that bastard.

Vote Pirate Party.

I agree, the politicians are letting it happen and we all need to voice our concerns.

Another way of combating this is making sure the right people are put in leadership: http://www.pirate-party.us

Lobbying should be considered the same as bribery and for the senators should be considered treachery against the people of the United States.

Confidential so we can back-stab the people when they least expect it.

Government transparency bye bye.

Someone should email moot and tell him to put "VOTE PP" in the blotter. In 6 moths the big election in sweden will happen. Let's support PP to the full extent.

United States of Corporations

Please read this and spread the information.

[spoiler]Guess What... This is the apathetic children's fault [/spoiler]

Is there someway to get around this flood detection? Otherwise it's going to take an hour to post the whole thing.

>>437148
There's a reason the only time it's caled theft is in the press, not the courts.
1) theft, being criminal, means that there are high standards of evidence
2) being a criminal case, the state can and will provide defence council
3) the punishments are much lower for theft (steal a 10-track CD in calif. its $1000 MAX, infrignge the copyrights of those 10 tracks once, and you're looking at a range of penalties from $7,500 to $1.5M
4) theft not only implies but requires actual loss. To date, not a single PENNY in losses have ever been proven. With all this 'theft' around, most of these industries have actually seen sales skyrocket.
5) in criminal law, there's due process and a requirement to a speedy trial. In civil law, as long as it's within the timelimit (7 years) they can keep trying to force you to settle, or else they start (or carry on) with an expensive long winded legal case, making the legal fees higher than the settlement offer, 'encouraging' settlement.

These are just some of the reasons that Big Copyright doesn't want copyright infringement to actually be deemed theft anywhere but in public opinion (certainly not in court)

The Internet will now become a police state for the RIAA and the MPAA.

>>437391
Between now and June 9th, there will be elections in the UK and the Netherlands, and there are Pirate Party candidates in both.

>>437148
>>437148

>implying useless and unoriginal creations such as movies/music deserve money.

>>437531

SPAM
FUCKING
..
EVERYTHING!

If pirateparty doesn't win this time

you can all say bye bye to 4chan.

>>437630
>oh shit no one cares about my shitty cause to justify my stealing!
>better start fear mongering!

The US government will eventually ruin the internet for all of us but for now we have the freedom to do whatever we want and it's great.

Yeah, no fear mongering at 4chan. Although, I'm sure copyright infringement is rampent on 4chan, so this does affect everyone here.

>>437273
industry average is about 10% per sale until contractual fees (recording costs, paying the label, etc) are covered, then the band gets most of the profits. however, many bands are boned by the contracts to begin with, and see nothing from cd sales

concert tickets and merchandise more directly go to the artists

>>437682
Nothing here is copy written except maybe shit on /r/, which is full of viruses anyway.

>then the band gets most of the profits.

Ya except the company lies about costs and the bands don't see a penny until a decade long costly court battle is won.

And then all their royalties go to paying lawyer fees.

>>437727
>Nothing here is copy written
Ya except basically ALL THE COMICS/HENTAI/MOVIES/MUSIC/BOOKS/etc distributed on these boards?

>>437759
Like I said.

Viruses on /r/.

If /r/ was taken down, no one would notice or care.

>>437652
>implying sites hasn't been shut down.

In sweden we recently had a website pay a fee and even shut down for a long period only for linking to a smart-drugs page. the site was flashback.org

No-one knows how far they will go in controlling internet to fit their moral views. And when it comes to morals, everybody is looking at 4chan.

Also, i'm not fear mongering. I'm just a webmaster with experience of how fucking annoying it is with major corporates meddling in everything.

I download material illegaly more than the average person but god damn guys, really? I know I'm stealing. Why do so many people pretend that it's their right to download this stuff?

The people who run TPB are obnoxious and they make casual torrent users look like dicks.

Look here's the thing. Digital piracy is wrong. It is absolutely wrong. It's the exact same thing as theft, and it should be illegal.

But I pirate shit all the time. I do it but I don't pretend it's right. I know I'm being immoral. I'd just rather have shit for free than feel moral.

But TPB are hypocrites. They're selling stolen goods and pretending it's okay. More than that, they think it's a human right to steal and sell stolen goods. That's ridiculous.

You steal from the motion picture industry and you're all shocked and indignant when the MPAA or law enforcement gets on your case? You child.

If the police came to arrest me for stealing Avatar I'd be like "Yeah, I deserve this" becsuse I'm an adult and adults take responsibility for their actions. They don't throw tantrums and yell 'FUCK THE RIAA WAAHHH MOMMY NEVER LOVED ME'

>>437777
I've never gotten a virus from /r/. I'm sure they're there, but I've had a 100% success rate so far.

>>437838

it's copyright infringement

not stealing, theft, larceny or burglary

words have meaning

>>437851

say "stealing" some more, you intellectually honest powerhouse, you

>>437851
How would you like it if you could get shit for free AND feel moral?

If you can make a copy of something via VCR or cassette, then why can't you make a copy digitally?

We've had this battle. The medium changes nothing. SELLING is illegal. Copying is not, nor should it be.

>>437864
It's still illegal. Stop pretending it's your right to download anything and everything the entertainment industry makes.

>you can make a copy of something via VCR or cassette

That is illegal too, broseph. It is also illegal to watch a movie you rent with friends. Don't you love America?

>>437902

what they do is they keep fighting until they win a small victory- say, you don't make copying illegal, but you do make it illegal to circumvent any copy-protection technology the company builds into its product

never mind that this technology prevents you from exercising your right to make copies of your media.

never mind that making it impossible for someone to exercise a right is scarcely different from taking it away altogether

laws change. especially in cultures where you may buy them

Say goodbye to utorrent. Usenet here we come.

>>437984
I'm paranoid, so I stopped using utorrent before the summer. Also, my ISP has blocked the pirate bay

The radio should be illegal.
ANYONE CAN JUST LISTEN TO IT!

>>438013
then visit warez-bb.org

that's my new friend. Also is hosted in china, and they love piracy.

>>438019
You can't download albums and movies from the radio. I download 'n' all, but I'm just sayin'.

>>438013

what? that's legal? where do you live?

>>438040
Any catches I should know about?

>>437851
>PIRACY IS WRONG
>DO IT ANYWAY

You sir, are a faggot.

>>438051
Ireland. As far as I know, it's only Eircom here that's done it.

tl;dr version now.

Is it more of less the same rules in an earlier leak?

I was never going to buy your music or movies anyway.

By downloading a digital copy I am not harming the original producer in any way because there was zero chance I'd ever buy their product in the first place.

Their "losses" (BTW their profits have NEVER been higher) assume that everyone that downloads their product would have otherwise purchased it at full retail price. That is a faulty assumption.

If I buy an apple and instead of throwing away the seeds I plan them and 10 years from now I have an apple producing mature tree is Safeway going to sue me for copying their product? Oh wait, Monsanto is doing this with "terminator" seeds that cannot reproduce.

Humanity is fucked.

any chance of an archive on this?

>>438064
Yes, you will probably need rapidshare premium to download the really big files, like big .iso files of games or movies. Since rapidshare free accounts limits to 200mb per day or something.

It's probably safer to visit warez sites from china than any other country now as I see it, they seem to embrace piracy for some reason.

No one has gotten caught for downloading from rapidshare now either, since rapidshare is hosted in germany too, which also is very internet liberal..

>>438129
>Monsanto is doing this with "terminator" seeds that cannot reproduce.

I think I heard of this. About a company that was trying to create crops that would not seed or something?

>>438169

they've developed the tech, but I don't think they've actually implemented it in any of their products

>>438165
Sounds good to me. I know someone who uses it, I just needed an anon's opinion of it.

>>438169

Been done a while ago.

Then they hire guys to go around throwing their special seeds into farmer's fields. Then later they sue the farmer out of business for illegally using their special genetically modified seeds.

2000 seeds
3000 peers- 0 connected to me.

>>438129
this.

>>438165
http://torrentfreak.com/rapidshare-terminates-accounts-of-illegal-downloaders-100323/

http://4chanarchive.org/brchive/main.php?mode=submit&chanchimp_id=436760&chanchimp_board=new

Lets make sure to archive this.

You piracy stuff all the time from your retina to your harddrive in the brain.

>>438215
I don't have an account with rapidshare. I just click on links provided by google and [rs].

>>438235
I don't doubt for a second that they could prevent this if they somehow could and could make a profit on doing so.

>>438252
The article also says they've started logging IPs.

>>438215
I've downloaded for two years now. Maybe 200gb of data.

Only seen links getting terminated, maybe uploaders. Never downloaders.

Never even heard about a downloaders account getting terminated.

>>437851
You might want to read some press releases, such as the one from the MPAA 2 weeks ago, saying '2009 was the best year ever' - funny, with all that 'theft' going on, you'd think it'd be poor.

In fact, over the last 10 years (since P2P became popular) box office figures have never been so good. Same with music. In the UK, music sales are 50% UP on 10 years ago (and these are the industry's own figures)

Oh, and let's not forget all the independent studies that show that p2p-ers buy MORE in general.

Or remember that when they were saying the same things about VCRs that they're saying about the internet, 5 years later where was the majority of their income coming from? oh yeah, VHS sales....

Time to separate the reality, from the PR bullshit dude.

Hang on, Reasoned Mind, is that you?

Jews run the music and movie industries and therefore they cannot stand to see even 1 penny of potential profit slip through their grubby jew fingers.

http://4chanarchive.org/brchive/main.php?mode=submit&chanchimp_id=436760&chanchimp_board=new <= 3 More Until Archived

>>437940

Except it's not, unless the laws have changed regarding analog now too. DMCA was bullshit that changed the laws regarding digital, and it's why old grandmothers can be sued for this shit.

NFL tried to fight the ability to record shit via VCR, and were shot down by the courts.

I've been riding this wave since the advent of ROMs and Napster. Feels bad, bro.

Internet Law #1:
Everything that can get copied deserve to and will get copied.

Internet Law #2:
Piracy was created by the people, for the people. People always find a way.

Internet Law 3:
If it deserves attention, it will get attention. Sooner or later. Existence of an inventor is inevitable.

Internet Law #4:
People are afraid, anonymosity will develop towards a total hivemind as long as there is fear.

Internet Law $5:
Democracy is based on fear - Internet is based on escapement from fear.Therefore the Internet cannot be democratic.

Avatar invested 200 mil, made $2,625,016,292
Titanic: invested 200 mil, made $1,842,879,955
TLOTR 3: invested 140 mil, made $1,133,027,325
Pirates.of.C 3: invested 200 mil, made $1,065,659,812

>BAWWW HOLLYWUUDS LOZING MONIES

>>438179
Guess again. They've implemented them and distributed them OH AND GUESS WHAT THEY ESCAPED INTO THE WILD AND ARE CONTAMINATING UNTAINTED PLANTS

CD sales are at an all-time low. Record companies are also reporting record profits. How does this work? (Legal downloads are working?)

As to the movie industry, they make me laugh. They didn't give a shit about piracy until the recording industry told them to. They're making record profits as more and more people go to the cinemas regardless of how high the cinemas jack up the price. Especially with the new 3D gimmick that doesn't fuck up the colors. People see a movie they liked and want to see it on the big screen, simple as that. Media sales have never been important to the film industry.

In any case, DMCA is bullshit that needs repealed, copyright itself needs a major overhaul, and congress needs to stop sucking the dicks of the big businesses that throw thousands to millions of dollars at them.

>>438466
Only bad movies lose money. Pirated and leaked movies reveal bad movies.

>>438466
The investments are a little wrong it is supposed to be

Avatar invested: 300 mil.
Titanic invested : 260 mil
LOTR3 invsted: 220 mil
Pirates3 invested: 200 mil

Whats REALLY hurting the movie industry is the big screen TV's and complex soundsystems . Since this makes people go less to the cinema.

>>438512
copyright itself needs a major overhaul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJn_jC4FNDo

>>438520
No, the success is a function of how much money is invested. The bigger investment, the bigger and safer payoff. It's the rule of money.

On avarage, the big movie companies with a budget over 100 mil almost always gets atleast a quadrupple in profits. The biggest gets even 10-folded.

>>438544

except, the movie industry isn't hurting

>>438637
They also make a lot of money due to tv's.

PARADOX

also fuck science

If you pirate something that you would otherwise not have watched/played/listened to, there should be no problem.

1. You remove no original copy, thus no value is lost.
2. You would not have given profit to the company even if you didn't pirate what you pirated.
3. By getting in touch with the product of a company, you get in touch with the company, and if they did a good enough job you just may decide to become their client, BRINGING them profit.

I pirate things as "pre-screeners", as in, if I like it, I buy it later. Beats the shit out of the crapshoot that is reading the backs of DVDs and hoping for something good.

>>438563
>On avarage, the big movie companies with a budget over 100 mil almost always gets atleast a quadrupple in profits.

Here's a fun thing. If you take the budgets of the top 10 films each year, and add them up, when do you think it topped a billion? Answer, 2003. REALLY funny thing. Two of those films LOST money.
Terminator 3. Budget $200M. Box office $150M
Matrix Revolutions. Budget $150M. Box Office $139M

in 1991, Terminator 2 cost $100M. 8 of the other top 9 were also published. Even with the T2 that works out at $40M/film for those 9. excluding T2, it's $32.5M

So erm, your claims are bullshit.

Profits are reducing, because costs are skyrocketing.

whats acta?

Who gives a fuck if the movie industry is failing or succeeding? Newsflash: habits change as technology advances. Keep up or fucking fail. The way she goes.

>>438804
as a result of pirating one or two songs, I ended up purchasing at least 5 CDs.

I supplement my income $1000 extra a month selling movies and albums I've downloaded off the internet.

Feels good man.

>>438944

Now see, this here is a criminal.

>>438944
Nice, survival of the fittest man. internet rule # 1 applies here. You are just supplying a demand that the majority of humanity buys. You are criminalized by inconsistent bases. I hope you become millionaire as well. Just remember to donate a little to PP.

>>438883
That chart applies to everything. Everything gets more expensive. People wanting a more balanced paycheck might also be a contributory factor in your case. No, my argument is still valid.

Money makes money, deny it all you want.

>>437391
As a Swede, this is dumb as hell. The Pirate Party is a single issue bullshit party, while the VPK has the SAME FUCKING STANCE ON FILE SHARING AND INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY AS THE PIRATE PARTY, yet it got votes taken away from it because of the faggot Pirate Party

VOTE VPK.

>>438944
Sometimes when I go abroad, I buy high quality piracy software and movies for thousands of hundreds of dollars. Then I donate it to a competitive piracy salesman in another town. Only because i'm curious of how this will effect society . I've done this several times, with maybe up to a thousand dollars so far..One guy even started a website of my money lol

>>439101
pirate party sounds cooler though. get with the times, old timer.

>>439160
NO. VOTE FUCKING VPK.

>>439101

Huh, here in the states it's merely a PAC that supports candidates of other parties that agree with its platform.

I'd be suprised if the pirateparty in US doesn't fucking explode and get massive amount of members within some time now..

But who knows, maybe obama will jail them yungsters.

Like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsGRAdV6OwY

>>439208
The US needs more piratist bloggers.

>>439208
Well, our government is a tad more pluralistic than the American one, so there are some parties with very similar platforms.

Unfortunately, like I said, the Pirate Party has only one real plank to their policy, and its shared by the VPK, which has a full policy plan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_Party_(Sweden)

>>439211
why are they yellin' "Haduken!" in the video?

also this thread will 404 anytime now. if not archived

FUCK! ITS ON NOW GUYS!

DOWNLOAD EVERYTHING BEFORE IT PASSES! EVERYTHIGN!!!

>>439236
fuck you you sandnigger muslim lover shit..

gtfo

>>439208
If you knew anything about US Politics, you'd know it's a 527, just like every other party's National Committee. Thats kinda how the system works.

>>439246
That is what I'm doing.

Bought these drives just to spite these faggots.

Every time I hear some more shit about them suing someone or this ACTA shit, I download more.

>>439236
So, what you're saying is that Since the Pirate Party started, they've changed their policies to match.
Also, that if you want that one policy you can either vote VPK and have to have the same position on everything, or vote Piratpartiet and not be locked into a position on everything else.

Seems a no-brainer really. Yes, indeed, vote VPK with their 'all or nothing' platform, and forget about actual representation or independent thought.

>>438129

so you're just a selfish pig?

>>437851

this, i pirate but i don't pretend it's some act of justice or revenge on corporations. i'm not going to be hypocritical about it, i am not entitled to downloading shit. i know i'm braking the law. i'm just being honest, which is rare these days.

>>439696
Doohohoho~ Not even I could pretend to be as retarded as you are.

>>439778
>>437851
I thought i was pretty much alone with this mindset.
Rock on, pirate brothers.

>>439778
>breaking

>>437984
usenet will go down just as fast bro.

>>439796

there's plenty of blame to go around on both sides, i'll just leave it at that.

>>437930

Both speeding and murder are illegal. One gets you a ticket, the other gets you life-long incarceration or a death sentence.

Now, the one reason there is no death sentence for speeding (and a small margin would love to see this happen) is that there is simply not enough money to sustain these extreme measures.

The same is true for copyright infringement. The only difference being that the small margin concerned DOES have enough money to impose such drastic punishment, and this is only the beginning of the end of net-neutrality.

>>every post
>herp derp i want people to work for free
Would you twats flip burgers for free? Because people need food a hell of a lot more than you need The Jonas Brothers' new album and a high def DVD rip of New Moon. You disgust me.

>>439834

nice rationalization

so /new/ does Project Chanology come into play here

I like the idea of all the money I will save never ever buying another item of media ever again and never going to the movies ever again, and dumping cable tv. shits gonna be awesome!

>>439837
i seriously doubt that whether someone buys an album or film would have any effect on international food and medicine distribution.

However Intellectual property rights preventing new drugs and farming techniques from becoming affordable do.

>>439837
no body really cares. most of the good stuff coming out entertainment wise these days is from independent sources. and guess what? people actually are supporting them, they're done fine.