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nah, his brother is
he's pretty close though

Yeah, just a bit too peaceful to ever use it.

Iroh is the Dragon of the West, yes, he's really strong

Iroh in his prime vs Phoenix King?

Ozai, his brother -- you don't see his face until season 3 -- is more powerful.

But Iroh is more awesome.

Iroh is the most powerful of the sane firebenders. sadly the crazies have just a little more mojo backing them up.

Want to know why they call him the Dragon of the West?

Because he fucked up a dragon. Hardcore. He is fucking boss.

>>18161613
>>18161567
Where does this come from? we never actually see iroh go crazy with his ability and they never fought against each other.

Iroh can fire and redirect lightning.
The Firelord can't redirect.

wouldn't that be +1 for Iroh vs Ozai?

>>18161650
they mention in the avatar "extras" that Ozai is indeed more powerful

but then again they also said that fire was the opposite of wind, rather than earth. so I dunno

>>18161646
>HE'S CURED MY LESBIANISM
That line in that context is awesome.

>>18161660

Yeah, but Iroh can't MAKE lightning. Ozai can.

>>18161709

air is the opposite of Earth. Aang had the most trouble learning to bend that element and Roku had the most trouble learning airbending

>>18161759
ummm, wat?
they've both been depicted bending lightning

>>18161646

Isn't he called that because he can firebend out of his mouth?

In season 3, he's presented with the whole "you could beat Ozai" scenario and he said that maybe he could, maybe he couldn't. I think they're pretty equal. I like to think that Iroh holds back most of the time.

>>18161782
yah, I know that. that's why I brought up the fact that the folks writing the "extras" didn't seem to..
did you actually read my post?

>>18161759
Iroh shows Zuko his lightning, Zuko fails because of inner turmoil, so Iroh shows Zuko his SUPER SEKRIT LIGHTNING REDIRECT. However, he refuses to give Zuko a live-fire test because he doesn't want to hurt him, so Zuko stands on a mountain in a thunderstorm and yells at the sky.

>>18161810
AnD fOr CuRiNg AzUlA oF hEr LeSbIaNiSm.

>>18161759
if Iroh can't bend lightning, how did Zuko learn how to redirect it?
the memories coming back yet? :)

>>18161541
You are correct, sir.

Although he doesn't fight much, he is pretty much the best firebender in the series. Plus, he's wise and awesome and makes a wicked cup of tea.

>>18161810
No, in the firebending masters episode of season 3, it's stated that people in olden tymes would hunt and kill dragon. This would earn them the title of Dragon. Iron "killed" the last dragon and earned the title Dragon of the West.

>>18161872
Maybe when Aang becomes an awesome firebender he can cure Toph and Katara of their lesbianism.

>>18161877
He basically just told him the how your supposed to do it. The first time Zuko had to do it it was a risk.

>>18161709
this, the writers of the show have actually come right out and said "yah, Ozai is stronger"

Iroh is basically my grandfather except that my grandfather's Hawaiian and doesn't have long hair.

I want to watch them now also, good thing I have netflix.

What about that firebender that's part of the white lotus? How does he rank vs Iroh and Ozai?
Forgot his name but he was part of the assault to retake Bai Sing Sei at the end.

Iroh continues to amaze the viewers with his awesomeness as the series progressess

He only becomes powerful when his coffee is bland.

>>18161954
yah, but he can still bend lightning, he just refused to shoot it at Zuko

>>18162009
Jeung Jeung is awesome, but he's no Iroh. His claim to fame was having Zhao as a pupil.

>>18162009
He's really powerful, but I don't think he's quite on Iroh's or Ozai's level. He's probably like 3rd or 4th most powerful(Azula might be stronger)

>>18162009
Jeong Jeong is his name. I don't know how they'd rank against eachother. I bet a fight between them would be EPIC though.

>>18162034
Actually, I feel like Jeung Jeung was the most powerful firebender. I think he was totally devoted to the whole practice and culture until he saw what he was becoming and started fearing himself.

Iroh's awesome.

"Eeroh" from the movie could have been awesome (his acting was somewhat better than the film's average), but his moment to shine turned into DRAMATIC ZOOM IN AND OUT OF EEROH'S EYE and ragebending enough fire from his hands that his foes just ran away.

>>18162100
Ugh. Seriously? That's disapionting.

>>18162100
.... that is just sad.

Iroh should have killed all of them righ out.

>>18162172
Seriously.

I can't wait to get a cam of the movie and make a reaction gif out of it. It's so unintentionally hilarious.

Since you never see them fight one another, its hard to say whether Ozai or Iroh were stronger. Iroh, however, knew a lot about the other cultures; he also invented Lightning redirection, and learned the true source of Firebending from the dragons.

However, since both he and Jeung Jeung are generally wise pacifists, you don't often see them do awesome shit.

>>18161782
>Roku had the most trouble learning airbending
You mean Waterbending, bro. Water is the opposite of fire, just ask the Zutards.

>>18161810
>>18161891
It's both, but the firebreathing came before the explanation with the dragons. I like the first one better anyway.

>>18162225
He's not like that, but it'd be cool if he kicked some ass.

Iroh's been the the motherfucking spirit world.
That's got to count for something.

>>18162403
He would have been in that situation.
He was ready to murder Zhao for screwing up the balance.

THE REASON IROH SAID HE COULDN'T BE THE ONE TO BEAT OZAI WAS BECAUSE IT'D JUST BE ANOTHER INTERNAL STRUGGLE WITHIN THE FIRE NATION RATHER THAT WOULD NOT SIGNAL THAT THE FIRE NATION HAD TO STOP IT'S SHIT, JUST PUT IT ON HOLD UNTIL THE NEXT FIRE LORD.

THE AVATAR KICKING OZAI'S ASS MEANT THAT THE FIRE NATION NO LONGER HAD THE POWER TO DO WHATEVER THE FUCK THEY PLEASED AND BETTER GET READY TO GET IN LINE OR GET NUKED.

>>18162696
nice cruise control
are you trying to make a point by any chance?

>>18162650
He never said murder, it was just an implied asskicking.

Ozai>Iroh>>Jeong Jeong

>>18161759
Iroh can create lightning too. He tried to teach Zuko how but when Zuko couldn't do it, he decided to teach him how to redirect lightning instead.

>>18161857
vegita.jpg

I always considered Iroh the more powerful, the only reason he isnt firelord is because his son died.

new question: Bumi (Boomi?) vs. Toph. who would win?

That prison episode, holy shit.

>>18165732
I always wanted to see that happen in the series, or at least see Bumi and Toph interact.

I think Bumi would win--he's probably encountered all sorts of Earthbenders in his past, blind ones included. He just has way more experience, not to mention trickery.

Iroh > Ozai. I thought Iroh was more impressive plus he can shoot AND redirect lightning.

As of right now I see Bumi > Toph, but that's only because Bumi has much more experience and Toph is still a youth, a prodigious youth, but still just a youngin'.

>>18165732
I'd like to think Bumi would win but Toph being the super special girl that she is, I don't know. Either way there's a comic somewhere that address this I think.

I think that Iroh might be more skilld than Ozai, but Ozai has a killer instinct and determination that Iroh lacks. I think when it came down to it, Iroh couldn't kill his own brother, but Ozai wouldn't bat an eye.

Toph would be Boomi, but only because he was laughing at her too hard to fight back. Unless they fought in a metal room, then obviously Toph would kick his ass.

>>18166039
>Unless they fought in a metal room, then obviously Toph would kick his ass.

Ooh, point.

Iroh is possibly my favourite character in the whole series. But I'm only halfway through the second season.

>>18165732
>>18165910
http://s264.photobucket.com/albums/ii175/Eternal_Light55/Bumi%20Vs%20Toph%20Comic/

You're welcome.

>>18166741
Who finds this kind of behavior endearing? Maybe its just me but I've always liked stories with some young arrogant upstart gets schooled by an old master.

>>18166741

>>ITT nobody saw the Avatar Extras episodes where they mention Ozai is the most powerful firebender in the world

>>18166039

Bumi wasn't ever depicted as not being unable to bend metal. When he was in the coffin , he was off the ground AND limited in his movement. Remember that without moving , you cannot perform bending with the exception of Aang blowing up gusts of wind and such.

Bumi was in a massively more difficult situation than Toph and her box where she could move around and use the bending. Not to mention Bumi didn't even fight back when he was captured so his people didn't get raped. Also was Toph ever able to make rocks float?

>>18167019
Bumi can't bend metal. Toph invented it and is the only one seen using it.

I found out that his voice actor died in the second season, and the reason he was so quiet during the third season was because they didnt want people to notice.

Ruined the third season for me.

>>18165732
I think that Boomi would win just because he's so crazy.
However, if he became her mentor she'd probably surpass him.

man I fucking love Bumi

>>18167528
No, Iroh was going to be in prison and have no dialogue for the first half of the season anyway. it just dovetailed nicely into Mako's passing.

>>18167019
they didn't restrain his nose.,

Guys, it's "Bumi", learn to spell.

I DEMAND MOAR IROH

>>18169531
He's everyone's old man crush.

Iroh confronted and gained the respect of two fucking dragons.

He figured out how to redirect lightning.

The only reason he didn't murder Ozai was because he was afraid that the people of the fire nation would see it as a petty imperial family squabble for power.

>Iroh is possibly my favourite character in the whole series. But I'm only halfway through the second season.

Keep watching and pay attention to the relationship between Iroh and Zuko. I don't want to ruin it for you, but something big happens between them at the end of Season 2 and it will carry over into Season 3.

>>18169586
That and after his son dies he really didn't care about who get to lead the nation.

>>18161541
Wouldn't be surprised if he came up and told everyone he was the equivalent Jesus or God in that universe.

>>18169550
Pic related.

>>18169623
No, Aang is Kung Fu Action Jesus. But Iroh is still a badass. When Wang Fire goes to bed at night, he checks under his bed for the Dragon of the West.

>>18169593

Guess what?

You just ruined it by explaining something would happen between them. Now he won't be shocked.

I hope you're happy.

>>18169586

I think it was more than that.

I think the death of his son shook his confidence and he didn't actually believe he could lead and so he conceded to Ozai, but when Ozai banished Zuko Iroh began to have doubts about Ozai who seemed to be more concerned with power than with ruling. Of course by this time he didn't think he could beat Ozai in a fight (maybe he just thought he was too old to rule) so he tried to serve as the surrogate father to Zuko hoping that he could make him into the leader who could beat Ozai.

>>18169641

Is that because the coward hides under his bed, trying to escape the awesome of Wang Fire?

I thought so.

>>18169641
Toki is Kung Fu Action Jesus.

Iroh, however, can be Kung Fu Action Moses.

>>18161541

he's just experience and enlightened.

he even said himself he might not be able to best
his brother the firelord ozai.

firebending is quirky in that it is stupid strong in people
that are "unrestrained", like general zhao. the strength
of the firebending seems to be tied to the inner psychology
of the weilder.

in the case of iroh that could mean variety and control
as oposed to power.

>>18169651
Spoiler Alert: Characters interact and develop relationships. Events happen that have an impact on those characters and those relationships. Characters grow and change over time in response to those events. Oh noes!

>>18161541

also, you never really knew about avatar? people were
flogging the show as a cartoon because it had strobby
animation.
should've checked it out, tsk tsk.

>>18169697
Not in the movie.

>>18169720

Type [xspoilerx] around the stuff you want to hide [/xspoilerx] only without the x's.

>>18169720
Check the 4chan FAQ.

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>>18169762
Thanks, got it now.

>>18169689

Why did you even bother with the fake spoilers?

>>18169651
THIS IS WHAT REALLY HAPPENS! Iroh teaches Zuko how to make good tea. They go into the tea business and ruin all the other tea shops. Ba Sing Se falls into financial ruin and Azula takes over. She is defeated by drinking one of Zuko's "starter batches" and goes crazy. The end!

:D

>>18169660

Losing his son didn't shake his confidence, he was a motherfucking walking army and he knew it. What it did do was shatter his will to fight for the fire nation. Note his demotion, which he may have even requested himself.

When Zuko was banished Iroh clearly took interest because Zuko was filling the gap of his late son. He treated Zuko as his very own, not just as a nephew, and that bond only grew stronger when their family and their nation betrayed them.

Iroh clearly got his shit together after Zuko turned his back on him and regained that fighting spirit. By the time the lotus dudes were planning to liberate Bah Sing Say he was in full ass-kicking mode. Before the conflict he actually did express some doubt that he was a sure-fire win against his brother but he definitely knew there was more than a chance that he could. And the only reason he didn't make like a rocket and fly to Ozai for a final confrontation was because he didn't want a simple coup de tat, he wanted the symbol of peace itself, the Avatar, to remove Ozai from the throne. Iroh understood the importance of symbolism to the masses and let the Avatar handle it because it was the better choice for everyone.

He totally would have beat Ozai, though.

>>18169697
Well, the specific not-spoiler posted will alter the OP's perspective, since he knows something big will happen specifically because of these two peoples' relationship.

It's like telling people that a particular book or series has a high death count, or that there are shocking deaths throughout. They'll always be on guard.

>>18169795
IF he could bring himself to murder his own brother. Maybe he wouldn't be able to.

>>18169825

Ah fuck, good point.

>>18169651

Here's the shocking truth:

It's revealed that Ursa (Zuko's mother) had an affair with Iroh and Iroh is Zuko's real father.

Okay, not really.

love Avatar, I just watched the series out of curiosity about a month ago, gotta say I loved it. Oneof mys favorite line, as I'm sure most of you are familiar with;

"Hey jerks, mind if I watch you two jerks do your jerkbending?"

>>18169795
>the only reason he didn't make like a rocket and fly to Ozai for a final confrontation was because he didn't want a simple coup de tat, he wanted the symbol of peace itself, the Avatar, to remove Ozai from the throne. Iroh understood the importance of symbolism to the masses and let the Avatar handle it because it was the better choice for everyone.

That's totally a good reason to half-ass your attempt to PREVENT THE GENOCIDE OF THE MAJORITY OF THE WORLD.

Sure let Aang get the first try, but at least be there as fucking backup, fuck. Spirit-bending was unacceptably retarded for a similar reason.

sure you could give saving the world your actual best shot by putting aside your childish reservations instead of holding back like a pussy and gambling THE WORLD on some weird risky esoteric technique that actually gives the bad guy an opportunity to become even more powerful, but why the fuck would you? it's only THE WORLD at stake, no biggie

I liked Avatar a lot and I even like the finale when I view it on a purely visceral level with the lizard part of my brain but when you apply any level of human analysis or morality to it both Iroh and Aang come across as retarded childish fuckheads

In before some dipshit tries to explain to me how it was, like, so deep maaannnn and I'm like totally a warmongering murderer

>>18169875

"You can go ahead and let me drown now."

"Now come back, boomerang."

"Hi. Zuko here!"

>>18169902

You're basically right from a coldly logical perspective, if Aang (or Iroh) straight up killed Ozai I don't think anyone would give a fuck and actually a lot of people would be even happier.

BUT

yeah the show was trying to be deep. And it's not like there wasn't plenty of hints that Aang would find a way to win the conflict without killing Ozai, he freaked out about it for numerous episodes.

>>18169914
>"Hi, Zuko here!"

I loved that part. ANd I also got omgwtfbbq worried when Toph burned her feet.

I was all like: "OH SHIT, with burned feet she won't be able to feel vibrations anymore. And therefore she is now REALLY blind."

But it turned out she was fine...

>>18169858
That's a lie, everyone knows Ursa is fucking Piandao.[/spoilers]

>>18169902
I sense much BUTTHURT.

>>18169914

"I'm too young to die!"
"I'm not but I still dont wanna!"

"MY CABBAGES!"

>>18169858
That's a lie, everyone knows Ursa is fucking Piandao.

>>18169902
I sense much BUTTHURT.

>>18170000
My favorite lines from The Storm. <3

>>18169795

"Even if I did defeat Ozai, and I don't know that I could"

he was talking about besting the firelord in a fight!
it sounds like ozai would have won just by being crazy.

iroh isn't all powerful, he chose to train himself physically
while in prison because the eclipse would render all
firebenders less able to detain him. they'd have been too reliant
on the fire and would not be able to switch to hand to hand effectively.

you people are making things up.

alright last ones I promise!

"he tried to remove the first fish hook with the second fish hook."

"Look! that lemur is earthbending!"

>>18169902

Wang Fire was there as back-up. Once he was done defeating the Fire Nation he'd kill Ozai if Aang could not spiritbend him.

>>18161782
Roku had the hardest time learning WATERbending

>>18170086
"That lemur! It's Earthbending!"
Would have preferred seeing this in the movie to M. Night's crapfest.

>>18169959

Unfortunately, I have to agree with >>18169902. While it was the show trying to be profound, the reasoning was still incredibly strained at best. Iroh probably had many moments prior to the show starting in which he could have prevented, as 18169902 called it, global genocide. Instead he chose to sit back and do close to nothing other than mentor Zuko. While this in itself is not necessarily inherently evil, he put a whole lot of stock in Zuko eventually learning the error of his ways and joining an entity that could have conceivably (and was popularly believed to be) long dead. He could have easily dispatched Ozai and led the world to a future of peace and prosperity, especially given his general tendencies as an easy going and serene person. It's almost as lame a cop out as Fawkes' famous "It's your destiny, not mine" speech at the end of Fallout 3, despite earlier distinctly PROVING he can handle the radiation by going into an area that is an almost instant kill for the PC.

However, one could also argue that he had no such ambitions, and such would not wanted to assume the mantle of power. He could have seen that Zuko was too immature and violent to have succeeded his father, Azula too unstable and calculating, and their mother too meek. However, this is not a discussion of the failings of the alternative, merely why the course of action taken was inherently flawed.

>>18170097
Wang Fire is a loyal soldier of the Fire Nation, what is this heathen claptrap!?

I should rewatch the first season.

Then go to fanfiction.net and read old mary sue self-insert fanfiction.

I actually miss that stuff. Dunno why but I do.

>>18170161
>While it was the show trying to be profound, the reasoning was still incredibly strained at best.

This. I can kind of see what they were going for, but they fucked something up.

>>18170161
Aang won. Nobody had to do anything. World saved. The end.

>>18170162

Yes, and for the good of the Fire Nation he would help the new prince Zuko defeat a rampaging tyrant.

>>18170158

hahaha, great scene. I was skeptical about the movie, I thought M.Night was trying to make it too grimdark. Plus you know, I'm not usually one to complain but try to keep the ethnicity of the cast the same. I`m glad I didn`t waste my money on it and I'll just watch my dvd's instead.

>>18170190
Same here. I feel sorry for anyone who paid to see that bullshit.

>>18170183
Oh well that means there were no flaws with any of the characters logic or morality

Is there anywhere to watch Avatar:TLA online for free?
Quality doesn't have to be top notch,but I would like to rewatch my favorite episodes.

"The Boulder and The Hippo no longer fight for others' entertainment. Now, we fight for our Kingdom!"

What's funny is,The Boulder was supposed to be voiced by The Rock (Boulder=Rock) as a parody.
When The Rock ever spoke in character at the wrestling ring,he always referred to himself in 3rd person (just like The Boulder).
He declined the offer to voice him,but one of his best friends,Mick Foley,voiced him instead.Who is also a pro wrestler.

Why is everyone talking about me?

What did I do now?

>>18170310
Not to mention also a former tag team partner as "The Rock n Sock Connection," which was hilarious.

no

all the people saying LOLDEEP are not getting it at all

that's not what they were trying to do. they were trying to get around the hero killing a guy onscreen in an all-ages show. that's it. maybe you aren't familiar with standards & practices, but that's how TV works. it was a small miracle that they were even able to USE the word "kill" in the finale. note that almost everywhere else in the series, they have to go out of their way to not say "kill", leading to some painfully awkward phrases ("you won't have to worry about your destiny anymore, because i will make sure your destiny comes to an end... PERMANENTLY.").

at least ozai didn't fall off a cliff or burn himself to death with his own fire. even if you like those options, you have to admit that it's difficult to come to a satisfying ending under the TV requirements.

>>18170337
You know what you did. You should be ashamed of yourself, Mr. Fire! Getting all those nuns pregnant. The Mother Superior is going to have a hippocow! You know you have to be at least 500 yards away from susceptible virgins at all times!

>>18170375
>they were trying to get around the hero killing a guy onscreen in an all-ages show
WRONG. Do you homework, bitch. Mike and Bryan planned for Aang to spare Ozai from the very beginning. They've killed characters on-screen before too, remember Jet?

>What's funny is,The Boulder was supposed to be voiced by The Rock (Boulder=Rock) as a parody.
>When The Rock ever spoke in character at the wrestling ring,he always referred to himself in 3rd person (just like The Boulder).
>He declined the offer to voice him,but one of his best friends,Mick Foley,voiced him instead.Who is also a pro wrestler.

Holy shit, that's so awesome.

>>18170375
>they were trying to get around the hero killing a guy onscreen in an all-ages show. that's it.

That's not what the fanboys think. They think it was a beautiful statement about how killing is wrong in all cases.

That's why if a cop shot a terrorist who was raping a baby while holding a gun to its head they would egg the cop's house, the evil murdering fuck.

>>18170380

But he needed to save the children! The convent was on fire!

>>18170380
Hey, woah!

I can't help that a pacing glace can impregnant women! You try to control that kind of sexual prowess, then we'll talk!

>>18170429
Passing glace, even.

>>18170415

>>18170448
pretty butthurt that someone didn't think your beautiful message was deep or smart huh?

>>18170402

Jet's death was implied when Toph said "he's lying" when he said he'll be ok.
Nick isn't going to put any on-screen deaths on a cartoon for children.
I think the closest we've come to see someone die in avatar is when Zhao was drowned by that spirit and which we pretty much saw nothing,just him going into the water.

>>18170402
mike and bryan say a lot of things. they also said that the hero needs to make a sacrifice in order to make it a satisfying ending. where'd that go?

>remember Jet?
>the hero killing a guy onscreen

also, the dialogue was intentionally non-explicit. i know he's dead, you know he's dead, but it wasn't allowed to be explicit stated (example: "THAT MOFO'S DEAD!").

>>18170423
It was on fire because the sunlight was reflecting off his Space Sword!

>>18170429
>>18170432
Alas, only Iroh knows the ancient secret, but he gave that up when he retired. There were too many complaints from Earth Kingdom women. They almost had to change the name of Ba Sing Se to NA Sing Se!

>>18170475
>they also said that the hero needs to make a sacrifice in order to make it a satisfying ending. where'd that go?

the sacrifice was any semblance of tension or internal conflict

>>18170415

I thought it was just a statement of "Aang is enough of a person outside of being the Avatar that he refuses to compromise himself for his duties" I mean that's pretty much the Avatar's flaw - it's basically why Rokku died and why the world was in the mess it was in. Even when he talks with the other Avatars they seem to all point out that the problems they had all seem to revolve around them putting their own identity and life before their duties as Avatar.

Hell in the end when Zuko asks Ozai about his mother it's foreshadowing a potential problem with leaving Ozai alive - he can corrupt Zuko and easily remain just as dangerous as he was while he was the "Phoenix King"

>>18170475
>it wasn't allowed to be explicit stated
They said it in interviews too, but yeah, TV censors are a bitch like that. They did poke fun of the ambiguity in EIP, though.

>mike and bryan say a lot of things.
It's in the artbook AND the series IP bible. They meant what they said here.

>they also said that the hero needs to make a sacrifice in order to make it a satisfying ending. where'd that go?
You're a Zutard, aren't you?

>>18170515
>You're a Zutard, aren't you?

What the fuck are you talking about?

What sacrifice did Aang make at the end? He certainly didn't have to develop past his kindergarten morals.

>>18170499
That's one way of looking at it but I'm pretty sure Mike and Brian meant for their Sue to be in the unambiguous right.

wait a sec...why is a...anime topic in the comic board anyway?

>>18170532
>not answering the question
>implying that pacifism and sparing someone's life is nothing but "kindergarten morals"
kay go tell that to all the real monks in the real world, you go back to killing everything that moves in your videya

>>18170553

>>18170543
>Sue
Seems like someone's never encountered a real Sue before.

>>18170515
i was referring to yangchen's statement about sacrificing one's own spiritual development for the sake of the world, but feel free to continue acting like a dick

if you were wondering about the guru: love is not attachment.

>>18170557
I'm not the poster you were asking that of so I can't answer for him. I also don't know what a zutard is. I was just wondering why the fuck you were dodging the question in such an asinine fashion, and reiterated the question in a more confrontational manner. I did this out of love for you, I only want to see you answer the question like a big boy. For your own sake.

also

>implying that real monks in the real world are intelligent people who should be respected or listened to

They're religious extremists.

>>18170578
He found a way around it. Deal with it. It's called Take a Third Option. And yes, I just referenced TV Tropes too!

>>18170568


well srsly i thought that there was a not talking about one another between you two...

>>18170532
You are ignoring the fact that the spiritbending could have resulted in Aang's death, he could have easily killed Ozai once he got the avatar state back.

>>18170592
>answer the question like a big boy
>>all real world monks are religious extremists.
You're either a troll or a big asshole.

>>18170616
I'm trying and failing to picture how a monk could possibly not be a religious extremist. Do you even know what a monk is?

>>18170616


implying there is a difference

>>18170624
"Extremist" still doesn't sound right. That's what you call people who shoot up abortion clinics or gay pride parades or something. If you want to stretch it, then fine. But pacifism is still a valid lifestyle choice and you shouldn't be a dick and belittle those who chose that path in life.

>>18170652
>pacifism is still a valid lifestyle choice

It is when it doesn't involve handing the firelord a 50/50 chance to gain the power of the fucking Avatar, while he's trying to burn the world to death, because you're too much of a cowardly little cocksucker to just cave in his skull.

You want to let thieves steal your shit without fighting back? Fine, whatever. You kill a few billion people through holier-than-thou inaction? Me belittling you is the least of your problems, enjoy your lynching.

>>18170694
>implying that a 12 year old boy fighting an evil dictator who could shoot 1.21 jiggawatts into him is a coward
>implying there might not be a backup plan if he fails
>implying an action show on a kid's network is going to let the villain burn the world
>implying you shouldn't eat a bag of dicks
DIAF, kthnx.

>>18170694
Did Aand gain the power of the Firelord? No. The Firelord wouldn't gain Avatar powers, at best he would have sealed Aang's power and Aang, would have had to unseal it with Spiritbending or something.

>>18170754
>Did Aand gain the power of the Firelord? No.

How do you know?

>>18170766
Cuz I'm god

by the way, your going to hell for disagreeing with me

it's in the bible

>>18170595
which brings me back to my original post:
>they were trying to get around the hero killing a guy onscreen in an all-ages show.

unless you believe that the creators of an all-ages nickelodeon show didn't realize that aang couldn't kill onscreen until they sat down to write the finale.

lol using tvtropes phrases

>>18170873
I like tv tropes...

>>18170873
Maybe, maybe not. It happens in Disney movies.

Yes, I reference TV Tropes sometimes, who fuckin' cares? You're on a chan, you don't have room to talk.

So where does Zuko stand in the firebender skill/power hierarchy as of the end of the series?

It looked as though he steadily got better as the series progressed, but it was never clear if he actually surpassed Azula, given that she was batshit insane when they fought.

>>18170898
Well, he basically learned Firebending again from the Dragons.

Not sure if that increased his power, it probably did.

I think Zuko surpassed Azula and possibly even Iroh by the simple fact that he was using old school dragon-style firebending, of love and peace and control, vs. New school of rage and pain and Sith Lord.

>>18170898

During most of the series he was in too much turmoil, emotionally, to find the stability needed to really learn his firebending. I'd imagine that after the end of the series his powers would start to increase pretty dramatically, especially if Iroh was teaching him.

>>18170893
TVTropes is bad and you should feel bad.

>>18170931
Probably not Iroh, Iroh also learned a lot from the dragons.

>>18170898

In the skirmishes they had before Azula went nuts in season three it looked like they were pretty even. Assuming a sane Azula they are probably at the same level.

>>18170931
I'm pretty sure Azula went down in power after going Batshit crazy. Zuko even said so.

>>18170898

I would guess that he's at least in the top 10 by the end of the series. Iroh, Jeong Jeong and Azula (if she regains her sanity) are probably still ahead of him though. Once he gets older and gets more experience, he may become as strong as Iroh.

What did they do with Azula? did they leave her chained up? did they kill her? how are they holding her in prison?

>>18171035
Mental facility, strait jacket and Hannibal Lecter style face mask I would imagine.

>>18171035

Just another thing unanswered.She is most likely in jail along with her father.They can't just let them live the rest of their life in there.
We really need a book 4,So many things are left unanswered,so I say we can suck some more story out of Avatar.Or at least make a new series in the same universe.

>>18170982
shit, son, zuko was top 10 at the BEGINNING of the series. beat zhao good. zuko tends to look bad in comparison because his enemies are all badasses. zhao, azula, aang, post-timeskip katara

not crazy azula > dragon fire zuko
according to zuko's own estimation

>>18171110
>Or at least make a new series in the same universe.
~Somebody~ hasn't heard about the Legend of Korra yet! :D

>>18171110
Maybe they'll answer them in Avatar: The Legend of Korra

>>18171139
>>18171179
Korramind~

>>18171113

Did anyone else find Kataras sudden mastery of waterbending implausible?

She trains from a scroll for a couple of months and then with a master for a short while and can suddenly take on Azula (who has both natural talent and had the best training from birth) and Zuko (less talent but presumably similar levels of tuition).

>>18171113
>not crazy azula > dragon fire zuko
I'm not convinced of this. Zuko had effectively shut down her lightning powers completely, leveling the playing field quite a bit.

>>18171270
Katara was a prodigy.And she could barely run from Azula and only froze her due to sneakiness/crazy

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>>18171270
Yes. It wouldn't have bothered me if she was ever portrayed as a genius, like Aang and Toph were. But from the very beginning she was average.

It would have been one thing for her to get good after a month of training. But she pretty much went from being a zero to being one of the greatest masters on earth in just four weeks.

>>18171304
I can't remember a time when Zuko redirects Azula's lightning.

>>18171309
Katara was NOT a prodigy. Watch The Waterbending Scroll again.

>>18171332
I watched her spar pretty well with Pakku and then beat all of his students who probably trained a lot longer then her.

>>18171325
That's the point. Azula knew that Zuko could redirect lightning, so she couldn't use it at all.

>>18171346
Katara episodes 1-17 =/= Katara episodes 18+. They are two different people.

This is what we call plot hax.

>>18171351
No, I mean how did she know he could. Did she ever fire any at him and he redirected it?

>>18171370
No, but her dad would have told her. Zuko knew that.

>>18171346
yeah, she could almost hold her own against Pakku BEFORE he had even taught her anything, when she was trying to convince him to let her into his class.

>>18171370
Her power creep seems pretty steady from what I saw.

>>18171378
He just doesn't seem the type to tell her that.

"I tried to kill Zuko with lightning and he totally owned my ass, watch out for that"

>>18171384
No, she lost pretty badly. he was just toying with her.

>>18171401
No, he'd just say he found a way to redirect it without referencing his humiliating defeat.

>>18171401
Well, she never tried to use lightning on Zuko after that, and he seemed to know that she knew. After all, he taunted her about it.

the simple solution to this problem is:

the writers had to give katara something to do during season 2. made for a better season 1 finale (katara doesn't get stomped by zuko in seconds)

>>18171113
The end of the series is very vague about just how powerful end-series Zuko is. He seems to think he could take Azula, before Iroh suggests otherwise. In the climactic fight scene between the two if you look carefully, you can see Zuko pulling out moves (e.g. fireboot flying) he hasn't used before. And it seems reasonable to assume that if he can redirect Ozai's lightning, he could redirect Azula's too. Then there's the whole Dragon firebending thing. And the fact that Azula is ham-strung by her crazy. What is certain is the irony that had Katara not accompanied him, Zuko looked like he was on track to won the fight.

>>18171500
When did Zuko Jet bend?

>>18171544
What happened in Ba Sing Se STAYS in Ba Sing Se.

Watching that scene where Azula talks to the mirror makes me cry...

>>18171567
What episode?

>>18171544
You see him use it to give himself a skyward boost in his fight with Azula in the finale. It's not flying about like Ozai or Jeong Jeong, but it's definitely there.

>>18171567
You made beer come out my nose, damn you.

>>18171500

THAT'S CLASSIFIED.

Well the full moon explains her dominance over Zuko but yeah no viable explanation for her sudden professionalism against Pakku

>>18171609
Ok, ya. I just rewatched the scene and he does kinda... but's not with his feet. It was more like a Soldier rocket jump.

>>18171621
You'll have to forgive me. In between doing in depth analysis of AtLA episodes I work redacting documents for the DoD.

Who knew Zuko was faster than a bolt of lightning.

>>18171655
>Soldiers rocket jump
I don't know what this is.

But I'll concede that it might be coming from his hands rather than his feet.

>>18171740
In the FPS Team Fortress 2 the Soldier class character can fire a rocket at the ground while jumping to launch himself in the air at the expense of hurting himself a bit in the process.

Basically, look down, jump, shoot rocket.

>>18171819
Oh, so the same as a general rocket jump then?

I see what you mean now. Rocket jump vs. firebending flying seems like it might be more a matter of degree than anything.

>>18171859
Well I never really liked the Firebending jet thing anyway. They can be burned, they're normal in that respect, yet the fire propels them somehow. what is it pushing off of? what is between them and the fire that keeps them safe?

>>18171721
magic lightning is slower than real lightning

i'm not gonna pretend i know how it works, but maybe something about the time it takes to ionize the air around your target?

fuck it. it's slow ass magic lightning

>>18171904
>slow ass magic lightning

... I'm ok with this

>>18171900
They can't be hurt by their own fire?

>>18171900
See this:
>>18171904

Is it wrong to want to watch Toph empty her bladder and defecate in the forest, because she is blind she accidentally urinates all over her feet and her poop falls onto her feet as she blushes in her misfortune?

>>18171957
So your saying magic fire?

>>18172139
Bingo.

>>18172226
It can't all be magic, it has to make sense sometime.

>>18172136
...
God damn you, you horrid bastard.

>>18172136
Why am I turned on?

>>18172409
You're a sick fuck, congratulations!

>>18172136
Yes. that's wrong.

And in all likelihood that would never happen.

>>18172380
It does, in the sense that's it's all internally consistent. All bending is Magical Kung Fu, and a lot of it behaves in ways the bending material wouldn't in real life. What's important is that it is (usually) handled consistently in-universe.

But yeah, firebending is the one that most often conflicts with our expectations of how fire should behave, and also has the most inconsistencies.

>>18172136
If you need to look to tell where you're pissing, please stay the fuck away from my toilet. If you need to look to tell where you're pooping, you probably need professional help.

>>18172488
You don't look where you piss? How do you aim?

>>18172465
Firebending follows a lot of real physics, but it just kinda A-WIZARD-DID-IT sometimes.

>>18172499
PRACTICE!

>>18172519
That's what I was getting at, but it seriously does have the biggest A WIZARD DID IT MOMENTS in the series. See: Jeong Jeong's antics in the finale.

>>18172521
Bullshit. You're a chick.

>>18172533
No, seriously. You have to piss blind often enough, you get good at it.

>>18172380
oh boy. then you'd have to get down to defining the physics of firebending.

fire doesn't have mass, but firebenders toss it around as if it did. even if they were flamebending, it would technically be airbending, unless you think that airbenders can't bend air over a certain temperature.

even if fire was a physical force, they never show any opposite reaction acting on the firebender. so sometimes fire extends outward with no reaction, and when you want to fly, it suddenly does

fire from the fire dimension

fuck it. it's magic fire

>>18172547
LIAR

>>18172553
pic related, but even then there's the fuel problem: how the fuck would they make fires larger than the original fire unless they were also kerosene benders who could increase the mass of kerosene (unlike waterbenders who can't)?

>>18172554
ITT: underage b&s who've never had to piss into anything than a toilet in a room with a working light that their mom cleans while sober.

>>18172688
Exactly. Firebending works the way it does because it's just cooler that way. Except when the hot, tank-stacking action strained my suspension of disbelief.

>>18172688
This is why the show made MORE sense than the fucking movie.

Too late to the discussion but I always liked to think he really was the most powerful firebender in the world, but he was too tempered. Too at peace to truly show it off and I think that says a lot about the character and the idea behind him. A peaceful dragon.

In a lot of Chinese mythology, one of the characteristics of the dragon is that they're godly powerful...but they're not destroying the world and stuff because they're in harmony with it so there's no point.

>>18173694
I like that explanation.