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looks like a cool thread. good luck w/ it.

Grtz
~FirstPostGuy

lol, i don't have a single fucking clue.

I just push carts around.

In before "Can it take off?"

What would happen if an unstoppable force hits an immovable object?

Where is my God now?

if there was a big crunch, would entropy decrease towards the singularity and create a reverse time arrow with possible sentient beings who's perception of time was opposite ours? and if so, is time orientation re the 2nd law of thermo similarly reversed past the event horizon of black holes?

Well, OP? What the fuck am I supposed to do now?

>>33654516

The unstoppable force bounces off without stopping.

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What happened before whatever happened before the Big Bang?

>>33654516

Unfortunately, "unstoppable" and "immovable" aren't defined well enough for physics to regard that as a meaningful question.

In a way, though, your question relates tangentially issue in mathematics labeled as the "axiom of choice", which has to do with whether or not simply 'defining' an entity/set is enough to make it subject to meaningful operations.

if I rape a loli, and the loli doesn't bleed, did I really rape the loli?

>>33654722

Physics isnt animate so it can not perform actions like regard.

WHAT IS LOVE?

I just pushed some alien crystalline specimen into the beam of an over-charged anti-mass spectrometer. bad shit's goin down. Could you explain what the hell happened?

>>33654840

WE DON"T KNOW!

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Lets say i've got this nigger in a box. Now he's trying to steal my chicken. But i can't tell if he's trying to steal my chicken because he's in a box. How i detect if he is attempting to steal my chicken. The chikin has a half life of 20,000 years.

i wanna know how the FUCK reed richards can reactivate the infinity gauntlet when the living tribunal turned it off.

>>33654957

STFU

How does polar bear know what apples are?

>>33654597

Now THAT is an excellent question. I'm afraid I would slow this thread down too much to give it the response it really deserves, but I would refer you both to the work of Roger Penrose, and the lesser known book of Benjamin Gal-Or.

Short answer:

It seems well established that regions of spacetime undergoing entropic evolution in a direction opposite to ours are a theoretical possibility, and we would assume that the consciousness of such beings would be no different than ours.

As to whether a 'big crunch' is possible, even theoretically, within OUR particular universe, I believe it to be unlikely.

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>>33655130
Wasn't there a question if how much mass there was in the universe there would either be a big crunch or the universe would expand forever

>>33654840
BABY DONT HURT
DONT HURT ME NO MORE

>>33654920
sadly /b/ is dead

>>33655130
thanks, i asked for lulz since i need to write a phil paper on this shit, popped into /b/ and what do i see? regards.

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I believe humanity's place in the universe is to advance its understanding of science and application of scientific principles through technology until it can shatter its own limits and the limits of the universe's physical laws to rule as gods.

>>33654319
i think i love you.

>>33654718

The standard answer, which is actually pretty good, is that there is no 'before' the big bang, because space-time did not exist 'before'.

This answer isn't emotionally satisfying to many, and let me try to paraphrase and extend it:

What you consider 'time', as told by numbers on a clock, is a complete illusion. This is demonstrated not merely by special relativity's proof that observers in different inertial frames will measure time differently, but also by the deeper fact that the human experience of time is based on 'rhythmic cycles' of solar and planetary rotation. These rhythmic phenomena of the change of day/night and the seasons are what we mean by 'time', and time in a cosmological context is not measurable in the same way, and doesn't even refer to the same concept most people have in mind by 'time'.

What the fuck is happening in the black holes? Are they some kind of natural wormhole?
Tnx in advance

>>33655443
Delusions of grandeur my friend.

We are nothing inside nothing measuring shit we invented to measure and beating our chests at our petty accomplishments.

>>33655443

Are you familiar with the writings of Teilhard de Chardin and the McKenna brothers? The idea that we are following an evolutionary progression towards a transcendence of our current state has some evidence -- in particular the greater and greater amounts of mass/energy that the human race is capable of manipulating. If the curve of the past several thousand years is extrapolated, the human race will be able to manipulate the entire mass/energy of the observable universe at some point in the future.

Simply extending a curve, however, is really not adequate to analyze this situation. Consider an alternative, even more 'scientific' perspective:

In the absence of information, it can be assumed that an observed sample is more likely to lie near the center of a standard bell-curve distribution than toward the edges.

So lets take the current population of the human race as a 'sample' -- the number of human beings currently living should be located somewhere in the center of the bell curve, and we may deduce that we are actually about halfway through the history of the human race.

I don't actually agree with this reasoning, but it shows the dangers of simply extrapolating using statistical simplifications.

If I were to stand inside a particle accelerator while it was running, how gruesomely would I die?

dont let this die

http://youtube.com/watch?v=U6Kfnf4g6q4
die

>>33654824

Thanks for pointing out the sloppy use of language. I'm trying to respond fairly quickly while still thinking through what I'm saying. I meant "physicists" of course, though I also meant:

Our current physics is expressed mostly in the form of partial differential equations, which can yield a definite answer only when given specific data. In most cases, the equations become undefined if the input values are infinite.

The question of infinities is actually very important and fundamental, and can't be swept under the rug. In particular, AVOIDING infinities causes immense headaches to theorists trying to unify quantum theory with relativity.

Here's a hint to researchers in this area: the problems have more to do with the limitations of our current mathematical tools than with physical issues.

Also, a confession: I still am not sure if renormalization corresponds to a deep physical principle, or is merely a mathematical trick.

>>33656339
>>33656339
>>33656339
>>33656339

I need to know this, please don't forsake me.

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>>33656013

Black holes are caused when too much mass tries to fit into too small a space. What we call 'gravity' is a literal bending/warping of space-time. They are given their name because they bend the fabric of reality so much that even light rays cannot leave them once they have crossed the event horizon.

Some of the most important questions in fundamental physics involve entropy, black holes, and information. To make a very long story short:

In almost all physical situations, energy/mass and information are 'conserved' - they change form and state but remain constant within a closed system. Because we lack a coherent quantum theory of gravity, the behavior of matter/energy at the atomic level inside black holes cannot yet be analyzed.

Stephen Hawking made his reputation by producing some of the first meaningful quantum-gravitational results by discovering that the total entropy of a black hole is proportionate to its surface area. The q

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Age goes anywhere

This thread is now about bentos

>>33657388

CANDLEJACK WAS THAT YO-

I have discovered the meaning of existence, it came to me in a dream. Let me just switch off this episode of Freakzoid, you know the one with Candlejack? So good.

Anyway, the meaning of life is

>>33655613
If that's the case, then that presents a pretty strong argument for multiple universes. if that's the case, could these theoretical universes operate under completely different methods?

>>33656339

You would die from the vacuum inside, just as if you were in outer space.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=U6Kfnf4g6q4

>>33657388
Cant ppl on earth make a blackhole? like with a simulation of a star and then let it die and hope it to do the same thing in a little scale??

How do i shot web?

so Time. if it's a straight line then we would have to wait for or cause the line to bend back on it's self.

but if Time is a circle then all we need do is send Data forward until it reaches us in the past.

There's an elephant in the way.

>>33654313
What happens if a car made out of diamond (the hardest metal know to man) is driven into the sun or a black hole?

>>33657681

I have a pressurized space suit. Now how do I die?

OP,

What, in your opinion, is the most globally-driven concept in physics that every other universal phenomenon can be derived from?

>>33657642

Many theorists working at the forefront of cosmology believe that this is not only possible, but likely. Our universe may exist as one of an infinite number of universes, each with slightly different physical constants and laws.

In fact, given that the existence of human life seems 'unlikely statistically', many theorists regard the existence of multiple universes as the best explanation for our existence. If there actually ARE an infinite number of universes with varying characteristics, there is no need to explain exactly why our universe should happen to be so perfectly structured for the existence of carbon-based life.

The fact remains, so far as we can tell, we ARE unique within our observed universe, and we are a long way away from being able to test multi-universe theories experimentally.

Is there really a Stargate? If so, when can I step through it?

Did our earth have contac with other beings from our future or another planets? Could it be possible? Is it possible to go faster that light? (i've heard on the internets that there is something that can travel faster than light)

>>33657714

As a matter of fact, the potential existence of sub-microscopic black holes is being experimentally tested currently. If certain theories are correct, we might create VERY short lived black holes in particle accelerators. So far, none have been observed, which is evidence against those theories. As a matter of theory, any amount of mass -- even a single grain of sand -- could become a black hole if you squeezed it into a small enough space.

>>33658073

The amazing correspondence between abstract math and the real world. Fundamentally, how does the universe KNOW that it ought to behave according to particular mathematical equations?

When you throw a baseball, the path of that baseball will follow a curve described approximately by Newton's laws, and precisely by Einstein's. Both Newtonian and Einsteinian theory are stated within the language of calculus - simple calculus for newtonian, tensor calculus for GR - how is that these systems of abstract symbols created by human consciousness are able to correspond so perfectly to the interactions of countless billions of particles?

If you are looking for a less general answer, then I would have to answer "principles of symmetry".

can we go back to potatoes to get my power gauntlet?

>>33655613
time exists but is beyond our realm of understanding

>>33658799
LULZ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_aY7HZvFpQ

asking what happened before the big bang is like asking what is north of the north plole.

I just had an awesome masturbation session. I was jacking my meat to the girls of Hoggwarts, then I decided to finish while in the shower. I hopped in, and with the visions of naked ginnys and such still fresh in my brain, I started pumping my man steak. I then got the bright idea of using my ankles as fuck slaves, and bent down so i could bob up and down with my cock strattled between my ankles. I was humming along nicely, my dick pounding away at the gap between my shins, I tell you it was awesome. I could feel my balls swelling with each stroke, and then, with the feeling of my load yearning to escape, I began a morning ritual, that I need to share. I call it 'the terminator'. First I crouch down in the shower in the classic 'naked terminator traveling through time' pose. With my eyes closed I crouch there for a minute, visualizing either Arnold or the guy from the second movie (not the chick in the third one because that one sucked) and I start to hum the terminator theme. Then I slowly rise to a standing position and open my eyes. It helps me to proceed through my day as an emotionless, cyborg badass. The only problem is if the shower curtain sticks to my terminator leg. It ruins the fantasy.

>>33659012
wtf i understand time perfectly

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>>33658750

There isn't any evidence for extraterrestrail or time-travelling contact that convinces me, but I can't rule it out. My gut feeling is that contact with extraterrestrials hasn't happened YET but probably WILL at some point in our future.

So far as we know, the only thing that can go faster than light is quantum synchronization. Unfortunately, you can't use quantum effects to make a 'quantum telephone', for reasons too elaborate and subtle to go into in this reply.

However, there ARE theoretical solutions of the field equations of general relativity in which space-time is connected in such a way that you could, in fact, travel through time by travelling through space. The mathematician Kurt Godel was the first to discover them, but they are clearly very unlike the universe we live in.

Wormholes to other, very different, regions of spacetime are not ruled out by theory but we have no evidence for them, and even IF they existed, you would be reduced to atom paste by the gravitational forces present travelling though them.

>>33657921

Your death would be pretty bad, I think. I'll try to look up the energies used in contemporary particle accelerators.

>>33659276
you understand your linear retarded measurements of time, but not time itself

>>33659362
No stargate then?

>>33657714
not the way you want it to happen. our star doesn't have enough mass so that when the outward force of the fusion reaction stops it collapses into an infinitely small volume.

no.
just no.

>>33657921

After much in-depth research (also known as reading the Wikipedia article on the Large Hadron Collider) I HAVE YOUR ANSWER!

Standing in the path of the beam gets you nuked as hard 2.5 TONS of TNT.

LOOK FUCKER, I WANT AN ANSWER. COULD RICHARD DEAN FUCKING ANDERSON REALLY GO TRAVELING AROUND THE GALAXY TO SAVE US IF THE NEED ARISES?

>>33660190
no lol if there are other atoms in there and it's running fast enough then you'll get FUSION'D INTO OBLIVION

LOL A NIGGER.

WHY do I shot web?

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OP
what is the name of the field of study that most of these are about?

>>33660190

Furthermore, since this energy is being delivered in the form of a beam of accelerated subatomic particles, you die by having your ATOMS RIPPED TO SHREDS. A mere explosion of TNT is NOTHING compared to what happens when the very nucleii of your atoms are being transformed into short lived showers of other particles...

>>33660277

I was just using that as a baseline for the amount of ENERGY involved, not saying that youd blow up like a keg of dynamite. From wikipedia:

The size of the LHC constitutes an exceptional engineering challenge with unique safety issues. While running, the total energy stored in the magnets is 10 GJ, and in the beam, 725 MJ. Loss of only 10−7 of the beam is sufficient to quench a superconducting magnet, while the beam dump must absorb an energy equivalent to a typical air-dropped bomb. For comparison, 725 MJ is equivalent to the detonation energy of approximately 157 kg (347 pounds) of TNT, and 10 GJ is about 2.5 tons of TNT.

The question that was being asked was what if we replace the "beam dump" with a human being.

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>>33657800

In theory spacetime could be bent into any shape. In our world, time isn't either a line, or a cirlce. Actually, every point in the universe experiences a unique timeline, slightly different from every other point. The shape of these timelines relative to others depends on their relative motions, and the accelerations each experience, as well as on the overall curviture of spacetime.

In short, time is really more like the surface of a wave-tossed sea than a single line -- and it could be something even stranger than that, if the work of Julian Barbour is in fact pointing to something fundamental.

>>33660478

Most of these questions are about cosmology, which is the branch of physics that studies the structure of the entire universe. Einstein's general theory of relativity is the most important aspect of this field -- see "The large-scale structure of spacetime" by Hawking and Ellis. Yes, that Hawking.

There are also many interesting philosophical puzzles relating to quantum mechanics. The most interesting puzzle of all is how it all fits together -- cosmology, quantum theory, general relativity, and entropy...

>>33658597

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how can I know as much about physics as you?

Hope I got most of the serious questions replied to. Here's something to think about:

Life doesn't depend on energy as much as it depends on entropy - life needs to maintain its organization against the increase of entropy, so we take in low-entropy energy (food) and release it with higher entropy (shit). Life on earth is able to 'beat' the laws of thermodynamics because we can radiate all of our high-entropy energy as heat, while receiving low-entropy energy from the sun.

-- The above text is a paraphrase of Roger Penrose's explanation of life in "The Road to Reality"

>>33662239

Here are some good books.

>>33662239

I also find I'm able to keep my focus longer by adjusting my brain chemistry. And actually, the short-term memory loss forces me to reread previous material, and re-reading is helpful to comprehension in the long term.

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>>33658081
Sorry to digress here OP, but I found this statement a little bit reckless.

Isn't saying "we are probably unique in the universe because we have no evidence otherwise" like a man who has never left his farm saying "China probably doesn't exist because i've never been there"?

Needless to say if there is any sentient life elsewhere, it's safe to say that aside from being VERY far away in god knows what 3rd dimensional direction, but it's probably either a million years ahead of us or a million years behind us.

In the event it is a million years ahead, lack of evidence of its existence is not at all surprising, and if it's a million years behind, it probably wouldn't be noisy enough to make its existence known throughout the universe.

>>33662359

Aren't entropy and energy similar things, since entropy is just a way to describe amount of energy and it's distribution in a system?

So saying that life is dependent on entropy/energy is the same thing only from 2 different viewpoints. Am I right?

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>>33663045
not the OP here; energy:entropy::heat:fire i think

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>>33663209
>>33663045
oh also, energy doesn't exist. any thoughts on that, OP?

>>33663209
Serious persons on my /b/ ?

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>>33663209
you stupid nigger, that analogy makes no sense.
If anything combustion : heat :: entropy : heat and that's still far fetched.

** i move away from my telescope to observe closer stars

>>33662887

I agree completely, I didn't mean to imply that we ARE alone in the universe, only that we have YET to have evidence otherwise. I personally hope for evidence of other life in the universe more than anything, because, quite frankly, I don't have optimism that the human race will survive for million and billions of years, and I think life is a Good Thing -- of course, I'm also prone to speculating that the arrangement of stars within a galaxy, and the gravitational forces between them, could produce 'consciousness' -- if the carbon compounds and electrochemical reactions in our brain can create an 'experiencer', why couldn't other complex physical patterns?

Anyway, I'm wandering even more, but I didn't mean to give the impression that you were responding to. The question of what extent our observations are 'typical' of the universe, is actually a very, very important one. Is life more, or less common than we have observed?

>>33662830

Adjusting your brain chemistry? As in getting high?

>>33662239

My friend had an article of "how to become..." and one of the things was Astrophysicist. There is a website with all the courses and lectures from MIT in a pdf. Look it up because I won't.

>>33654597
Is dat sum Echoes of Earth?

What happens when we die?
in b4 heaven, hell and all that religious stuff.

>>33663045

Energy and entropy are related, but very different. Entropy can be defined in several ways, but a few examples are probably better than the technicalities.

Suppose you have a thermos jug of hot coffee, and a handful of ice cubes. Drop the ice cubes in the coffee, close the thermos, and examine the system:

When you first drop the ice cubes in, you have a cup which is 1/2 hot cofee and 1/2 cold ice cubes. This is a state of LOW ENTROPY -- it is highly organized in an unusual way. Over time, the ice cubes melt into the coffee, and it becomes evenly mixed and lukewarm. This is HIGH ENTROPY.

The amount of ENERGY didn't change at ALL. (Assuming the thermos was perfectly insulated.) Once you put the ice cubes into the coffee, the amount of heat energy in the system was CONSTANT. All that changed was how it was distributed -- the 'organization' of the heat.

Entropy measures how a system is organized, and if the current state of the system is 'unusual' relative a 'random arrangement' of all the components of the system. Cold ice cubes in hot coffee is an unusual arrangement, whereas lukewarm coffee is a 'stable' system.

Entropy always increases as we move into the future, this is the second law of thermodynamics.

>>33656051
We're only halfway through our lifespan if we can evolve so far we no longer consider ourselves human. Not by current standards, the standards at the time we decide we aren't human.
Therefore, the midpoint of humanity's bell curve is completely dependant upon how arrogant we get.

>>33663045

I don't think so

Entropy is a mathematical description of probabilities, it has no qualitative physical manifestation (not disorder etc.)

The best explanation of its relation to energy is that it shows the tendency of energy to spread out. While energy is the ability to do work; entropy is the ability of energy to become incapable of work.

They are actually not similar at all, and I would more consider them to be conflicts. But idk if i'm answering your question, saying they are 'similar' is vague.

Not OP btw...

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WHERE IS MY GOD NOW?

>>33663902

Arg, ya beat me

>>33657714
smallest possible black-hole is 1.4 solar masses, i think
solar mass = our sun

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How long until I can have my brain put into a robot, or do something else which will effectively make me immortal.

>>33663728

This answer will NOT be standard physics, and is OPs personal speculation.

In my opinion, the conservations laws of physics show that nothing is ever truly destroyed, it only changes form. I believe that when we die, our consciousness changes form in a manner analogous to the change of form that happens whens a candle burns and becomes smoke. In fact, I think the 'shape of our soul' is imprinted into the world by everything we do, and that when we die, our consciousness changes from being trapped to within our skull to residing in a distributed fashion in every part of the universe that has interacted with us.

That is only speculation and metaphor that I find personally interesting, it is not science, but it is inspired by scientific principles involving the conservation of energy and information.

>>33663728
Not the OP but I'll try to answer anyway.
After death the metabolism of the organism stops. Because of that cells that build your body stop being supplied with proteins ,ATP (Adenosine triphosphate) and oxygen. Since the cells cannot function without these things they die and then decompose.

>>33664199

1.4 solar masses is the smallest amount of mass that will evolve into a black hole ON ITS OWN. However, general relativity predicts that a black hole will be formed any time you squeeze a given mass 'small enough'. In the cases of 'small' bodies like the earth, you would have to squeeze the earth down to the size of a pea to bend spacetime that far, so its not going to happen.

>>33664294
ur theory sucks, see BLEACH.

>>33664544
Well, at least I got the number right.

>>33664284

This is very dependent on information about brain function and structure we don't have yet. In particular, does our consciousness make use of quantum effects in some way, or does a more macroscopic description of the arrangement of brain cells suffice to account for consciousness?

Assuming no quantum effects come into play and a 'cell-level' understanding of the brain is enough to capture consciousness, then we should be able to 'save brains to disk' sometime within the next century, assuming moore's law holds for awhile and neurobiological research continues at its present pace.

>>33655365

holy shit that's major lol.

>>33664812
He wanted immortality, not that shit.
You can't become immortal via upload; hard drives fail.

>>33664431
Is soul real? I think what we call a soul is actually our brain. If my brain was put on another person body (lol) i would be that person.
>>33664294
Ok, then some bugs will eat us and we will be their poop..how awesome : D

>>33665052

Good point -- as a matter of fact, I think physical immortality is easier to achieve than brain duping via digital medium. The biological process that cause cell decay and disease are all comprehensible with no fundamental breakthroughs in our understanding of biology or chemistry, and I think we will learn to control cell deterioration and replace failing tissue within a few decades.

Immortality -- for those who can afford it. I'd rather see medicine work on keeping more people alive and healthy, but the poor are less able to pay the investments necessary, so I think it's easy to see which way the cookie will crumble.

>>33663364

More likely than you think.

>>33663364

More likely than you think.

>>33665485
>>33665657
ktnxbai

if evolution is real, then how come you dont see humans being "evolved" inside of the monkey cages in zoos?

checkmate

>>33665964
Takes millions of years to evolve. This is not pokemon : )

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>>33665964
100 years and hundreds of thousands of scientists painstakingly studying evolution only to be proven wrong by Anon in 20 words

>>33665424

'soul' is whatever you define it to be, I think the idea that soul corresponds to PATTERN more than the physical medium of the brain is pretty convincing. Sure, you can transplant a brain, and youd be in a new body -- but whats really interesting to me is the 'structure' that produces soul. If consciousness is CAUSED by matter, how can we tell a conscious lump of matter from a non-counscious one, one the basis of pattern?

There is a bit of tension between the physicist's and the philosopher's position here. From the philosophical viewpoint of phenomenology, we have a greater certainty about the existence and nature of our own consciousness than we do about external matter/energy. After all, everything we know, we know through our own consciousness.

To the scientist, consciousness is an interesting phenomenon, but has no special status in the universe (apart from those who interpret quantum states as dependent on the observer). The basic 'stuff' the universe is made out of is mass/energy and we can have confidence in our knowledge because we can MEASURE things and make accurate PREDICTIONS of our measurements in mathematical terms with our theories. The scientist can point to the amazing repeatability and accuracy of various physical experiments to show that the physical universe is in fact the ontologically prior entity to our awareness of it.

Synthesizing these two perspectives, both eminently rational, is daunting because it stretches language to the breaking point. Some scientists even deny that the equations they work with even have a 'meaning' in words.

>>33666316

tldr

i posted this reply
>>33665964
All i want to say is that i disregard that and i proceed with cocksucking

>>33665964

I find nothing more contradictory to the ideal of God than the thought that God would create a world full of fossils of extinct animals and the incredible complexity of the DNA molecule JUST TO TRICK US INTO BELIEVING IN SOMETHING FALSE.

If Loki, the trickster, is your God, then maybe so.

>>33666231

monkeys evolved into humans. but wait, monkeys still exist! whoops there goes all that work done by the hundreds of thousands of "scientists"

scientists=fail

>>33666829

I cut a cake into two pieces, then I ate one. I ate the cake...BUT THE CAKE IS STILL HERE! HOW CAN IT BE?

>>33666955

cake?? wtf does that have to do with anything, moron

>>33667064

Haven't you ever heard of the Total Perspective Vortex?

No discussion of the individual's relation to the cosmos as a whole is complete without remembering the Total Perspective Vortex.

CAKE = RELATED

>>33666829
hum..there are lots of types of monkeys
Homo sapiens was the final form of the first "human-like", that later evolved to homo sapiens sapien (we).
The other monkeys evolved too but in other way. btw there was another type of monkeys that were intelligent, they evolved in the cold europe -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthals
sadly they got extinct, probably killed by homo sapiens sapiens when they moved to europe because we had more agility.

Thank you very much for your time. This subroutine is now complete, and I will return to my calculations.

needs moar serious questions

how can i make an atomic bomb with household stuff? : D

>>33668229

Start with a lot of antique shopping. You need to find consumer products that contained a useful amount of radioactive material. The best would probably be old fluoroscope machines from shoe shops, maybe -- but you might just have to buy tons of red fiestaware and grind off the glaze, which contains uranium.

Then, you need to build yourself a breeder reactor. Google for it, and start using your hoarded isotopes as reaction materials to make heavier and heavier elements until you get to plutonium. Make a lot of it, then build a bomb that can slap two pieces of plutonium together really, really hard. Voila!

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OP in your opinion, what is the most realistic/efficient way for mankind to achieve interstellar travel?

>>33668496
tnx
BRB building my own atomic bomb
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Whats the deal with wormholes? I've heard alot of bull about them, stargate, other sf shows and books. Have we confirmed them? If not how did we come up with the concept of them?

>>33668762

Gigantic self-supporting colony ships with fusion reactors that scavenge the hydrogen in interstellar space.

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>>33669583
if they do exist they are subatomic. Obviously imagination came up with them. The cahnces of them being real are slim to nill.

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Wormholes are basically theories based from black holes. Some people speculate that instead of volume being compressed to zero volume and infinite density it is actually spewed out through white holes, and the connection between black holes and white holes are worm holes.

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>>33669676
bussard ramjets?

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>>33669806
so there would be no way to use is as a means of transportation even if it existed? I mean, how do you get through the black hole in the first place

finishing the thread with an universe BUG

>>33669583

When people say 'wormholes could exist' what that means is, we can construct them as theoretical entities and still follow the 'rules' that general relativity lays down about how space-time behaves.

They are unlikely to exist naturally within our observable universe, and the energies/technologies required to create one are absolutely inconceivable.

If you really, really want there to be wormholes, some scientists have speculated a wormhole could be an alternate explanation to black holes for certain very remote energy sources, but there are more likely explanations.

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>>33670132
Any theories on how to create a wormhole?
I remember hearing something about being able to create wormholes with rare/strange matter (sorry i don't exactly remember what it was).

>>33669829

Yes, that's about what I had in mind but I decided to keep my answer more general since I'm far from an expert on theoretical propulsion technologies. Scavenged hydrogen is the only fuel that makes sense for truly interstellar distances (excluding exotic ideas like chunks of neutron stars somehow contained).

>33654313

fuck this shit. physics is for niggers

>>33670339

To create a wormhole, you need to do some very sick and dirty things to the fabric of spacetime, which involve mass/energy densities that are orders of magnitude higher than anything we have experience with. A long time, I read about a wormhole creation strategy involving a chunk of matter with the density of a neutron star much larger than the solar system rotating with a radial velocity close to the speed of light.

Perhaps people have brainstormed new ideas involving antimatter, or even string theoretical based ideas of using 'megaparticles' created by higher string harmonics than the series of conventional particles.

Personally, I think the big bang theory is bullcrap. We are saying the beginning of motion itself came from an explosion but what caused this? The big bang theory seems to be something concocted to compensate for the lack of knowledge that humans actually have.
Gravity is much more involved in the universe than the big bang theory gives it and therefore we must realize that there has to either be the existence of anti-gravity or the big bang theory is something that people created to try and make atheists feel better about their lack of knowledge. With gravity comes into play the thought of denominations of the universe.
Theoretically one may be able to decipher the point of the "big bang", but wouldn't gravity have set the universe in disarray and chaos? Even if all of this could have happened there are too many loose ends.

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>>336707t59
Just because we don't know what happened before it, doesn't mean its wrong, thats just dumb.

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>>33670498
physics is for niggers?
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>>33670966
Uhh that doesn't make it right either...

With the big bang theory you get into things such as super dense masses and such. But according to most scientists when matter becomes super dense they create blackholes which leads me to think that density can become negative, blackholes can become inverted in energy, and/or that something is incorrect in the theories of blackholes and the bigbang.

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>>33669806

Precisely and if a white hole indeed exists, but is not being fed by material from the black hole, then surely you won't see it, but if it is, it would take the shape of a star given the compression and would appear as maybe a neutron star.

However the means to prove this is impossible as no one can look into or figure out the density of either of those objects in a way to actually determine the true nature of whats inside them.

>>33671444

You have identified the current frontiers of our knowledge, but this doesn't invalidate everything. We don't understand why the big bang happened, or what happened during the first few millionths of a second afterward.

There are speculative ideas about these things, for instance the 'braneworld' scenario. Until we unify quantum theory with gravity, we will not have the mathematical tools to analyze the physics. Hopefully experiments like those at the Large Hadron Collider will give us some hints.

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>>33671444
>>33670759
these ideas... they are intertwining

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didn't they use to think quasars might be white holes?

>>33671845
i think all we can say is that we don't know the answers yet

>>33671444

Amazingly, you hit on something very important: the 'inflationary' scenario of early cosmology depends on NEGATIVE pressure in the Einstein field equations to make the big bang BANG!

Google for 'cosmic inflation' for more details.

>>33670759

The best evidence for the big bang is the existence of the cosmic microwave background radiation. To cut to the chase, the background 'temperature' of the universe is EXACTLY what the Einstein equations predicted would result from the big bang cosmological model.

If you have an alternate theory to the big bang/inflationary scenario cosmology that can account for the observed characteristics of the universe that are explained by current theory, the scientific community will be VERY excited.

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>>33672864

Because some will always prefer the truncheon in lieu of conversation, but words will always retain their power. They offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth.